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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Mon May 07, 2018 7:32 pm

April's U.S. sales total for semi-affordable sub-$40k MSRP PEVs [Note: IEVS has now provided hard numbers for everyone except Tesla and GM, and I've corrected many of the figures, noted by an *]:

BEV, 3,202 (Mar 4,228), 31.5% (Mar 34.6%): (9 types: Bolt; LEAF; 500e; e-Golf; Soul EV; Focus Electric; Ionic BEV; Clarity BEV; Smart ED).
PHEV, 6,948 (Mar 7,992), 68.5% (Mar 65.4%): (12 types: Prius Prime; Volt; Clarity PHEV; Fusion Energi; Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV, C-Max Energi; A3 E-tron; Kia Niro PHEV; Mini Countryman PHV; Optima PHV; Sonata PHEV; Ionic PHEV)
Total 10,150 (Mar 12,220). BEV/PHEV % decreased/increased by 3.1%.

I'm no longer going to bother listing sales of each car, only the leader in each category and any others with monthly sales over 1k., with the preceding month's sales in ( ):

Best sellers:

PHEV: Prius Prime @ 2,626 (2,922); Volt 1,325 (1,782); Clarity 1,049 (1,061).
BEV: Bolt @ 1,275 (1,774); LEAF 1,171 (1,500).

Anyone interested in a particular vehicle not mentioned should check the monthly chart at IEVS: https://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/

April's U.S. sales total for affordable sub-$30k MSRP PEVs:

BEV, 1,341* (1,800), 31.0% (34.1%): (4 types: LEAF; Focus Electric; IONIQ BEV, Smart ED)
PHEV, 2,983* (3,472), 69.0% (65.9%): (4 types: Prius Prime; Kia Niro PHEV; Hyundai Ionic PHEV; C-Max Energi)

Total 4,480 (5,272). Increase/decrease of 0.0% for BEV/PHEV market share, respectively.

Best sellers:

PHEV, Prius Prime @ 2,626 (2,922).
BEV, Bolt @ 1,275 (1,774).


The Smart ED (maybe the Spark was too) has been the only PEV with an MSRP below $25k, and while I've always thought that it was so limited in appeal it wasn't worth separating it out, it now has some competition in that price category, the Ionic PHEV. So, without further ado:

March's U.S. sales total for very affordable sub-$25k MSRP PEVs:

BEV, 80 (103), 30.8% (32.1%*): (1 type, Smart ED).
PHEV, 180 (218*), 69.2% (67.9%): (1 type, Ionic PHEV).

Total 260* (321*).

*corrected number.
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:49 pm

May's U.S. sales total for semi-affordable sub-$40k MSRP PEVs [Note: numbers followed by an asterisk indicate an IEVS estimate]:

BEV, 3,427 (Apr 3,202), 29.2% (Apr 31.5%): (9 types: Bolt; LEAF; 500e; e-Golf; Soul EV; Focus Electric; Ionic BEV; Clarity BEV; Smart ED).
PHEV, 8,323 (Apr 6,948), 70.8% (Apr 68.5%): (12 types: Prius Prime; Volt; Clarity PHEV; Fusion Energi; Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV, C-Max Energi; A3 E-tron; Kia Niro PHEV; Mini Countryman PHV; Optima PHV; Sonata PHEV; Ionic PHEV)
Total 11,750 (Apr 10,150). BEV/PHEV % decreased/increased by 2.3% (Apr down/up 3.1%).

I'm no longer going to bother listing sales of each car, only the leader in each category and any others with monthly sales over 1k., with the preceding month's sales in ( ):

Best sellers:

PHEV: Prius Prime @ 2,924 (Apr 2,626); Volt 1,675* (Apr 1,325*); Clarity 1,639 (Apr 1,049).
BEV: LEAF @1,576 (Apr 1,171); Bolt @ 1,125* (1,275*); LEAF.

Anyone interested in a particular vehicle not mentioned should check the monthly chart at IEVS: https://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/

May's U.S. sales total for affordable sub-$30k MSRP PEVs:

BEV, 1,802 (Apr 1,341), 34.8% (Apr 31.0%): (4 types: LEAF; Focus Electric; IONIQ BEV, Smart ED)
PHEV, 3,377 (Apr 2,983), 65.2% (Apr 69.0%): (4 types: Prius Prime; Kia Niro PHEV; Hyundai Ionic PHEV; C-Max Energi)

Total 5,179 (Apr 4,480). Increase/decrease of 3.8.% for BEV/PHEV market share, respectively.

Best sellers:

PHEV, Prius Prime @ 2,924 (2,626).
BEV, LEAF@ 1,576 (1,171).


The Smart ED (maybe the Spark was too) has been the only PEV with an MSRP below $25k, and while I've always thought that it was so limited in appeal it wasn't worth separating it out, it now has some competition in that price category, the Ionic PHEV. So, without further ado:

May's U.S. sales total for very affordable sub-$25k MSRP PEVs:

BEV, 110 (80), 33.6% (30.8%): (1 type, Smart ED).
PHEV, 217 (180), 66.4% (69.2%): (1 type, Ionic PHEV).

Total 327 (260).
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:48 pm

June's U.S. sales total for semi-affordable sub-$40k MSRP PEVs [Note: numbers followed by an asterisk indicate an IEVS estimate]:

BEV, 3,113 (May 3,427), 30.7% (May 29.2%): (9 types: Bolt; LEAF; 500e; e-Golf; Soul EV; Focus Electric; Ioniq BEV; Clarity BEV; Smart ED).
PHEV, 7,036 (May 8,323), 69.3% (May 70.8%): (12 types: Prius Prime; Volt; Clarity PHEV; Fusion Energi; Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV, C-Max Energi; A3 E-tron; Kia Niro PHEV; Mini Countryman PHV; Optima PHV; Sonata PHEV; Ioniq PHEV)
Total 10,149 (May 11,750). BEV/PHEV % increased/decreased by 1.5% (May down/up 2.3%).

I'm no longer going to bother listing sales of each car, only the leader in each category and any others with monthly sales over 1k, with the preceding month's sales in ( ):

Best sellers:

PHEV: Prius Prime @ 2,237 (May 2,924); Clarity 1,445 (May 1,639); Volt 1,336 (May 1,675*).
BEV: LEAF @1,367 (May 1,576); Bolt @ 1,083 (May 1,125*).

Entries followed by an asterisk are estimates of monthly production as GM only reports every quarter now. Anyone interested in a particular vehicle not mentioned should check the monthly chart at IEVS: https://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/

The Clarity outsold the Volt for the first time.


June's U.S. sales total for affordable sub-$30k MSRP PEVs:

BEV, 1,590 (May 1,802), 37.4% (May 34.8%): (4 types: LEAF; Focus Electric; Ionic BEV, Smart ED)
PHEV, 2,667 (May 3,377), 62.6% (May 65.2%): (4 types: Prius Prime; Kia Niro PHEV; Hyundai Ioniq PHEV; C-Max Energi)

Total 4,257 (May 5,179). Increase/decrease of 2.6% for BEV/PHEV market share, respectively.

Best sellers:

PHEV, Prius Prime @ 2,237 (May 2,924).
BEV, LEAF@ 1,367 (May 1,576).


The Smart ED (maybe the Spark was too) has been the only PEV with an MSRP below $25k, and while I've always thought that it was so limited in appeal it wasn't worth separating it out, it now has some competition in that price category, the Ionic PHEV. So, without further ado:

June's U.S. sales total for very affordable sub-$25k MSRP PEVs:

BEV, 126 (May 110), 46.8% (May 33.6%): (1 type, Smart ED).
PHEV, 143 (May 217), 53,4% (May 66.4%): (1 type, Ioniq PHEV).

Total 269 (May 327).

A big drop for the Ioniq PHEV last month.
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:32 pm

July's U.S. sales total for semi-affordable sub-$40k MSRP PEVs [Note: numbers followed by an asterisk indicate an IEVS estimate]:

BEV, 2,996 (June 3,113), 30.7% (June 30.7%): (9 types: Bolt; LEAF; 500e; e-Golf; Soul EV; Focus Electric; Ioniq BEV; Clarity BEV; Smart ED).
PHEV, 6,760 (June 7,036), 69.3% (May 70.8%): (12 types: Prius Prime; Volt; Clarity PHEV; Fusion Energi; Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV, C-Max Energi; A3 E-tron; Kia Niro PHEV; Mini Countryman PHV; Optima PHV; Sonata PHEV; Ioniq PHEV)
Total 9,756 (June 10,149). BEV/PHEV % unchanged (June down/up 2.3%).

I'm no longer going to bother listing sales of each car, only the leader in each category and any others with monthly sales over 1k, with the preceding month's sales in ( ):

Best sellers:

PHEV: Prius Prime @ 1,984 (June 2,237); Clarity 1,440 (June 1,445); Volt 1,475* (June 1,336*).
BEV: Bolt @ 1,175* (June 1,083*); LEAF @1,149 (June 1,367).

Entries followed by an asterisk are estimates of monthly production as GM only reports every quarter now. Anyone interested in a particular vehicle not mentioned should check the monthly chart at IEVS: https://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/

The Volt just retook 2nd place from the Clarity, after the latter outsold it for the first time in June. e-Golf sales really dropped off, to 18.


July's U.S. sales total for affordable sub-$30k MSRP PEVs:

BEV, 1,333 (June 1,590), 35.8% (June 37.4%): (4 types: LEAF; Focus Electric; Ioniq BEV, Smart ED)
PHEV, 2,393 (June 2,667), 64.2% (June 62.6%): (4 types: Prius Prime; Kia Niro PHEV; Hyundai Ioniq PHEV; C-Max Energi)

Total 3,726 (June 4,257). decrease/increase of 1.6% for BEV/PHEV market share, respectively.

Best sellers:

PHEV, Prius Prime @ 1,984 (June 2,237).
BEV, LEAF@ 1,149 (June 1,367).


The Smart ED (maybe the Spark was too) has been the only PEV with an MSRP below $25k, and while I've always thought that it was so limited in appeal it wasn't worth separating it out, it now has some competition in that price category, the Ionic PHEV. So, without further ado:

July's U.S. sales total for very affordable sub-$25k MSRP PEVs:

BEV, 103 (June 126), 36.4% (June 46.8%): (1 type, Smart ED).
PHEV, 180 (June 143), 63.6% (June 53.2%): (1 type, Ioniq PHEV).

Total 283 (June 269).

[Edit: corrected mislabeled month names]
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Fri Aug 17, 2018 5:11 am

Meanwhile, back on planet Earth, we see that BEVs outsold PHEVs by a MORE THAN a 2:1 margin in July in the US:
InsideEVs wrote:Pure Electric Car Market Share vs PHEV In July*

BEV – 20,111
PHEV – 9,403

*Based on estimates due to the lack of U.S. monthly sales reporting by Tesla and GM, as well as BMW i3 splits (BEV + REx).
Back on topic I must admit that my prognostications for the LEAF versus the Volt for this year have been completely wrong: Out of all the months in 2018, the Nissan LEAF only outsold the Chevy Volt in June, and that was only by a handful. (interestingly, the Volt is also outselling the Bolt this year.)
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:24 pm

RegGuheert wrote:Meanwhile, back on planet Earth, we see that BEVs outsold PHEVs by a MORE THAN a 2:1 margin in July in the US:
InsideEVs wrote:Pure Electric Car Market Share vs PHEV In July*

BEV – 20,111
PHEV – 9,403

*Based on estimates due to the lack of U.S. monthly sales reporting by Tesla and GM, as well as BMW i3 splits (BEV + REx).
Back on topic I must admit that my prognostications for the LEAF versus the Volt for this year have been completely wrong: Out of all the months in 2018, the Nissan LEAF only outsold the Chevy Volt in June, and that was only by a handful. (interestingly, the Volt is also outselling the Bolt this year.)

On planet Earth, what % of those BEVs were $49k and up, ~$13k over the average new car transaction price, and at least $9k over the $40k semi-affordable limit of the list? In other news, early adopters of expensive high tech have incomes which are disproportionately skewed above the national average. People who buy premium-priced cars tend to be those who can afford them. Meanwhile,
Average New Vehicle Cost is $36,000+ And Loan Delinquencies Are Up
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidkiley5/2018/05/30/average-new-vehicle-cost-is-36000-and-loan-delinquencies-are-up/#46fadcf51e84

Most Americans can't afford a new car, study finds
Experts cite the rising price of vehicles and the anemic growth of household incomes
https://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/most-americans-cant-afford-a-new-car-study-finds-062817.html
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:03 pm

August's U.S. sales total for semi-affordable sub-$40k MSRP PEVs [Note: numbers followed by an asterisk indicate an IEVS estimate]:

BEV 2,891 (July 2,996), 29.3% (July 30.7%): (9 types: Bolt; LEAF; 500e; e-Golf; Soul EV; Focus Electric; Ioniq BEV; Clarity BEV; Smart ED).
PHEV 6,973 (July 6,760), 70.7% (July 69.3%): (12 types: Prius Prime; Volt; Clarity PHEV; Fusion Energi; Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV, C-Max Energi; A3 E-tron; Kia Niro PHEV; Mini Countryman PHV; Optima PHV; Sonata PHEV; Ioniq PHEV)
Total 9,864 (July 9,756). BEV/PHEV % down/up 1.4% (July unchanged from June).

I'm no longer going to bother listing sales of each car, only the leader in each category and any others with monthly sales over 1k, with the month's sales in ( ):

Best sellers:

PHEV: Prius Prime 2,071 (July 1,984); Volt 1,825* (July 1,475*); Clarity 1,495 (July 1,440).
BEV: Bolt 1,225* (July 1,175*); LEAF 1,315 (July 1,149).

Entries followed by an asterisk are estimates of monthly production as GM only reports every quarter now. Anyone interested in a particular vehicle not mentioned should check the monthly chart at IEVS: https://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/

The Volt holds 2nd place over the Clarity PHEV. Sales of some semi-affordable BEVs, including the 500e, Soul EV and FFE dropped sharply; among PHEVs the Ioniq, Optima and Sonata all decreased more than 50%.


August's U.S. sales total for affordable sub-$30k MSRP PEVs:

BEV 1,451 (July 1,333),37.6% (July 35.8%): (4 types: LEAF; Focus Electric; Ioniq BEV, Smart ED)
PHEV 2,410 (July 2,393), 62.4% (July 64.2%): (4 types: Prius Prime; Kia Niro PHEV; Hyundai Ioniq PHEV; C-Max Energi)

Total 3,861 (July 3,726). increase/decrease of 1.8% for BEV/PHEV market share, respectively.

Best sellers:

BEV, LEAF@ 1,315 (July 1,149).
PHEV, Prius Prime @ 2,071 (July 1,984).


The Smart ED (maybe the Spark was too) has been the only PEV with an MSRP below $25k, and while I've always thought that it was so limited in appeal it wasn't worth separating it out, it now has some competition in that price category, the Ionic PHEV. So, without further ado:

August's U.S. sales total for very affordable sub-$25k MSRP PEVs:

BEV,108 (July 103), 71.5% (July 36.4%): (1 type, Smart ED).
PHEV, 43 (July 180), 28.5% (July 63.6%): (1 type, IONIQ PHEV).

Total 151 (July 283). Huge MoM drop for the Ioniq.
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:52 pm

GRA wrote:August's U.S. sales total for semi-affordable sub-$40k MSRP PEVs [Note: numbers followed by an asterisk indicate an IEVS estimate]:

BEV 2,891 (July 2,996), 29.3% (July 30.7%): (9 types: Bolt; LEAF; 500e; e-Golf; Soul EV; Focus Electric; Ioniq BEV; Clarity BEV; Smart ED).
PHEV 6,973 (July 6,760), 70.7% (July 69.3%): (12 types: Prius Prime; Volt; Clarity PHEV; Fusion Energi; Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV, C-Max Energi; A3 E-tron; Kia Niro PHEV; Mini Countryman PHV; Optima PHV; Sonata PHEV; Ioniq PHEV)
Total 9,864 (July 9,756). BEV/PHEV % down/up 1.4% (July unchanged from June).
...

Isn’t this rather arbitrary and pointless.

This is only 33% of the EV market.
As such, it doesn’t give a very clear look at the EV market share as a whole.
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:17 pm

Zythryn wrote:
GRA wrote:August's U.S. sales total for semi-affordable sub-$40k MSRP PEVs [Note: numbers followed by an asterisk indicate an IEVS estimate]:

BEV 2,891 (July 2,996), 29.3% (July 30.7%): (9 types: Bolt; LEAF; 500e; e-Golf; Soul EV; Focus Electric; Ioniq BEV; Clarity BEV; Smart ED).
PHEV 6,973 (July 6,760), 70.7% (July 69.3%): (12 types: Prius Prime; Volt; Clarity PHEV; Fusion Energi; Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV, C-Max Energi; A3 E-tron; Kia Niro PHEV; Mini Countryman PHV; Optima PHV; Sonata PHEV; Ioniq PHEV)
Total 9,864 (July 9,756). BEV/PHEV % down/up 1.4% (July unchanged from June).
...

Isn’t this rather arbitrary and pointless.

It's somewhat arbitrary, but not pointless. If PEVs are to become mass market, they must have mass market prices. The average transaction price for new vehicles in the U.S. is currently about $36k. $40k was chosen way back when as both the LEAF and Volt had MSRPs below $40k. I personally consider $30k base MSRP as a better measure of the mass market, but given the dearth of PEVs available for that price at the time I chose the higher number, adding the lower price categories as cars became available in those price ranges. I'm still waiting for the first $20k PEV.

Zythryn wrote:This is only 33% of the EV market.

As such, it doesn’t give a very clear look at the EV market share as a whole.

Nor is it intended to. What the EV market as a whole shows is that PEVs generally, and BEVs specifically, are still in the early adopter phase of well-off people buying expensive toys because they can afford to. Until such time as affordable PEVs outsell luxury models, we won't have crossed the chasm to mass market appeal.
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:33 pm

GRA wrote:
Zythryn wrote:
GRA wrote:August's U.S. sales total for semi-affordable sub-$40k MSRP PEVs [Note: numbers followed by an asterisk indicate an IEVS estimate]:

BEV 2,891 (July 2,996), 29.3% (July 30.7%): (9 types: Bolt; LEAF; 500e; e-Golf; Soul EV; Focus Electric; Ioniq BEV; Clarity BEV; Smart ED).
PHEV 6,973 (July 6,760), 70.7% (July 69.3%): (12 types: Prius Prime; Volt; Clarity PHEV; Fusion Energi; Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV, C-Max Energi; A3 E-tron; Kia Niro PHEV; Mini Countryman PHV; Optima PHV; Sonata PHEV; Ioniq PHEV)
Total 9,864 (July 9,756). BEV/PHEV % down/up 1.4% (July unchanged from June).
...

Isn’t this rather arbitrary and pointless.

It's somewhat arbitrary, but not pointless. If PEVs are to become mass market, they must have mass market prices. The average transaction price for new vehicles in the U.S. is currently about $36k. $40k was chosen way back when as both the LEAF and Volt had MSRPs below $40k. I personally consider $30k base MSRP as a better measure of the mass market, but given the dearth of PEVs available for that price at the time I chose the higher number, adding the lower price categories as cars became available i those price ranges. I'm still waiting for the first $20k PEV.

Zythryn wrote:This is only 33% of the EV market.

As such, it doesn’t give a very clear look at the EV market share as a whole.

Nor is it intended to. What the EV market as a whole shows is that PEVs generally, and BEVs specifically, are still in the early adopter phase of well-off people buying expensive toys because they can afford to. Until such time as affordable PEVs outsell luxury models, we won't have crossed the chasm to mass market appeal.



Interesting thesis, but isn’t the whole point to track how the EV market is changing as a whole?
The term “mass market” is also very arbitrary, and your use of the term “toy” comes across as derogatory.

New technology starts as generally, more expensive. Conclusions about the EV market made based on a minority of the market while ignoring the majority of it, are rather pointless.

What matters is the total EV units sold as a fraction of total cars sold.
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