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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:27 am

evnow wrote:
Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?


Title of this topic has not aged well.

:lol:

Still, I enjoy the updates GRA provides.

RegGuheert wrote:
evnow wrote:Title of this topic has not aged well.
True that. Perhaps it will begin to improve next month?


Probably not in September. The 2018 Leaf will be revealed in all its glory, but will not yet be available to buy. More like next calendar year.
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:21 pm

GetOffYourGas wrote:Probably not in September. The 2018 Leaf will be revealed in all its glory, but will not yet be available to buy. More like next calendar year.
I didn't know that. Thanks!
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:57 pm

Misinformation. Orders will be taken for the Leaf 2 beginning in September or October. Deliveries are supposed to begin in December.
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Mon Sep 11, 2017 7:26 pm

August's U.S. sales total for semi-affordable sub-$40k MSRP PEVs:

BEV, 4,599, 46.4% (9 types: Bolt; LEAF; 500e; e-Golf; Soul EV; Focus Electric; Ionic BEV; Clarity BEV; Smart ED).
PHEV, 5,314, 53.2% (8 types: Volt; Prius Prime; Fusion Energi; C-Max Energi; A3 e-tron; Sonata PHEV; Optima PHV; Mini Countryman PHV)
Total 9,913.

Total sub-$40k PEV sales were up by 167 M-o-M, and BEV/PHEV % increased/decreased by 1.2% as the Bolt took the top spot with 2,107, followed by the Prime (1,807), Volt (1,445) and LEAF (1,154). 500e sales (most likely $79/month leases) are further down at 415, with the e-Golf slightly up to 3q7, the FFE does its usual 100+ (131) and the Soul EV jumped from 145 to 300. Ionic BEV sales remain tepid at 66, up from 43, and the Clarity BEV moved aroind 15 in its 2nd month.

The C-Max Energi failed to outsell the Fusion Energi last month, 705 to 762, with the Fusion's sales slightly up and the C-Max's down (from 844). The A-3 e-tron had another significant drop from 218 to 129, the Sonata and Optima PHEV twins were nearly tied at 185 and 182 respectively, and bringing up the rear, the 'why bother' Mini Countryman PHV sold 86, up from 75 last month.

August's U.S. sales total for affordable, sub-$30k MSRP PEVs:

BEV, 514, 16.9% (4 types: e-Golf; Focus Electric; IONIQ BEV, Smart ED)
PHEV, 2,525, 83.1% (2 types: Prius Prime; C-Max Energi)
Total 3,039. Increase/decrease of 0.2% for BEV/PHEV market share, respectively.

*NOTE: the Clarity Electric is only available for lease, at $269/month. This would probably put it in with the sub-$40k but not the sub-$30k group.
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Mon Sep 11, 2017 7:28 pm

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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Tue Sep 12, 2017 4:24 am

For my own curiosity, are you excluding the Model 3 because the sub-$40k version is not yet available?
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:58 pm

GetOffYourGas wrote:For my own curiosity, are you excluding the Model 3 because the sub-$40k version is not yet available?

Yes. Once it's available I'll include it, assuming I can find a breakout of short vs. long-range version sales numbers. The Model 3 will be the first PEV to have an over/under $40k base MSRP owing to a different size battery, so I'm not totally sure what to do if I can't find the split - maybe just mention it separately kind of like the lease-only Clarity BEV? The only other vehicle that could have been an issue to date was the i3/i3 REx, but thankfully BMW base-priced them both over $40k.

Another option would be to drop the sub-$40k semi-affordable category to sub-$35k, which would exclude the Model 3, but also the Bolt and several other cars that rack up decent sales, so I'm not inclined to do that.
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:40 am

GRA wrote:Another option would be to drop the sub-$40k semi-affordable category to sub-$35k, which would exclude the Model 3, but also the Bolt and several other cars that rack up decent sales, so I'm not inclined to do that.
That's a funny statement since the ONLY reason you have chosen to put in a threshold is to distort the fact that BEVs outsell PHEVs into one in which you try to show that PHEVs are actually selling better than BEVs. They are not. Not in cars. Not in buses.
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Wed Sep 20, 2017 5:07 pm

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GRA wrote:Another option would be to drop the sub-$40k semi-affordable category to sub-$35k, which would exclude the Model 3, but also the Bolt and several other cars that rack up decent sales, so I'm not inclined to do that.
That's a funny statement since the ONLY reason you have chosen to put in a threshold is to distort the fact that BEVs outsell PHEVs into one in which you try to show that PHEVs are actually selling better than BEVs. They are not. Not in cars. Not in buses.

You are entitled to your opinion of my motivation, Reg, erroneous though it is.
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:56 pm

September's U.S. sales total for semi-affordable sub-$40k MSRP PEVs:

BEV, 4,846, 47.4% (9 types: Bolt; LEAF; 500e; e-Golf; Soul EV; Focus Electric; Ionic BEV; Clarity BEV; Smart ED).
PHEV, 5,381, 52.6% (8 types: Volt; Prius Prime; Fusion Energi; C-Max Energi; A3 E-tron; Sonata PHEV; Optima PHV; Mini Countryman PHV)
Total 10,227.

Total sub-$40k PEV sales were up by 167 M-o-M, and BEV/PHEV % increased/decreased by 1.0% as the Bolt took the top spot with 2,632, followed by the Prime (1,899), Volt (1,453) and LEAF (1,055). 500e sales (most likely $79/month leases) are further down at 375, with the e-Golf dropping to 187 (from 307), the FFE does its usual 100+ (131) and the Soul EV dropped a bit to 255 (300). Ionic BEV sales remain tepid at 36, down from 66, and the Clarity BEV moved 52.

The C-Max Energi failed to outsell the Fusion Energi last month, 683 to 763, with the Fusion's sales virtually the sames and the C-Max's down slightly (from 705). The A-3 e-tron continued to drop, from 129 to 85, the Sonata and Optima PHEV twins were at 190 and 228 respectively, and bringing up the rear, the 'why bother' Mini Countryman PHV sold 80, down slightly from 86 last month.

August's U.S. sales total for affordable, sub-$30k MSRP PEVs:

BEV, 247* or 434, 8.7% or 14.4% (3 or 4 types: Focus Electric; IONIQ BEV, Smart ED or e-Golf)
PHEV, 2,582, 91.3% or 85.6% (2 types: Prius Prime; C-Max Energi)
Total 2,829* or 3,816. Decrease/increase of 8.2% or 2.5% for BEV/PHEV market share, respectively.

*Note that the first numbers all e-golfs were the bigger battery and more expensive version that moved it out of this category, although there were undoubtedly some of the 24kWh battery cars left, but don't have a breakdown. The 2nd numbers are if all e-Golfs were the small battery car.

*NOTE: the Clarity Electric is only available for lease, at $269/month. This would probably put it in with the sub-$40k but not the sub-$30k group.
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