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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Mon Nov 07, 2016 8:28 am

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RegGuheert wrote:Meanwhile, worldwide the LEAF outsells the Volt YTD in 2016 by slightly more than 2:1.

Again, that site makes me wonder why the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV is not available in the U.S.

Yeah, here's an IEVS article quoting ev-salesblog on Swedish sales:
Plug-In Hybrids Pushes EV Market Share In Sweden Above 3%
http://insideevs.com/plug-in-hybrids-pu ... n-above-3/

Sweden is one of the largest plug-in electric car markets by market share. In recent months, thanks to strong demand for plug-in hybrids, sales have exceeded 3%, and in October reached 3.4%. . . .

As one would expect from the rather colder climate of Sweden, plug-in hybrids are at the forefront of sales…at least until more affordable long range electric vehicle solutions are available. . . .

1. Volkswagen Passat GTE – 3,359
2. Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV – 1,276
3. Volvo V60 PHEV – 981
4. Volvo XC90 T8 – 764
5. Nissan LEAF – 702
6. Tesla Model S – 655

Model X comes in at #12. The bolded section raises the question, why is Norway different from Sweden, with BEVs taking a bigger share? It used to be that BEVs got much bigger subsidies there than PHEVs did, but I believe that's changed.


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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Mon Nov 07, 2016 5:53 pm

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GRA wrote:Model X comes in at #12. The bolded section raises the question, why is Norway different from Sweden, with BEVs taking a bigger share? It used to be that BEVs got much bigger subsidies there than PHEVs did, but I believe that's changed.

don't underestimate the impact of front row seats to the Climate Change show...

Sweden doesn't have a front row seat? Admittedly, they don't have all the oil and gas extraction etc. which makes up so large a part of the Norwegian economy and helps to pay for EV subsidies, but I'd think that climate change affects them as much as any other arctic nation.
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Mon Nov 07, 2016 6:48 pm

GRA wrote:...but I'd think that climate change affects them as much as any other arctic nation.
Which would be...not at all.

Let's get back on topic. Climate change is not likely the deciding factor between whether someone purchases a BEV or a PHEV.
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Mon Nov 07, 2016 8:41 pm

If I wanted to stop using gasoline, then I'd get a BEV with a heatpump. If I wanted great fuel economy and a heater I could use whenever I wanted, I'd get a PHEV. Thus climate change and its effects on human behavior matter.
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:55 pm

December's U.S. sales total for sub-$40k MSRP PEVs (1st month for the Bolt, 2nd for the Prius Prime):

BEV, 3,929, 31.3% (9 types: LEAF; 500e; e-Golf; Spark EV; Soul EV; Focus Electric; Smart ED; iMiev, Bolt).
PHEV, 8,634, 68.7% (6 types: Volt; Fusion Energi; C-Max Energi; A3 E-tron; Sonata PHEV; Prius Prime)
Total 12,563

I think for the first time ever, the C-Max Energi outsold the Fusion Energi, 1,289 to 1,099, no doubt helped by the new lower price to compete with the Prius Prime (1,641). The Bolt managed 579 sales in just over 1/2 month.
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:42 pm

Why the arbitrary $40k cutoff? A lot Bolts, BTW, are above $40k.
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:01 am

evnow wrote:Why the arbitrary $40k cutoff? A lot Bolts, BTW, are above $40k.


must be after credits which means by rights, it should be purchase only since the real price of the Bolt is generally over $40K on current lease terms
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:17 pm

evnow wrote:Why the arbitrary $40k cutoff? A lot Bolts, BTW, are above $40k.

As has been mentioned before, I use sub-$40k base MSRP as the point at which a car can be considered (marginally) affordable, given the $34k average price of all new LDVs (which includes more expensive pickups and big SUVs). Realistically it should be $30k base MSRP, but until very recently that would have eliminated all but a very few PEVs. Even now after price drops, the only ones I think qualify for that would be the Prime, C-Max Energi, Smart ED, FFE, the discontinued Spark EV and the moribund iMiEV; any others?
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:35 pm

January's U.S. sales total for sub-$40k MSRP PEVs (1st full month for the Bolt, 2nd full month for the Prius Prime):

BEV, 2,803, 37.5% (8 types: LEAF; 500e; e-Golf; Spark EV; Soul EV; Focus Electric; Smart ED; Bolt).
PHEV, 4,673, 62.5% (7 types: Volt; Fusion Energi; C-Max Energi; A3 E-tron; Sonata PHEV; Prius Prime; Optima PHV)
Total 7,476.

The Bolt gave 'affordable' PEVs a 6.2% bump and 'affordable' PHEVs dropped by the same %, but the Volt (1,611) and Prime (1,366) ranked #1 & 2 in sales. with the Bolt #3 (1,162). Will the Bolt overtake either/both as sales expand to more states? The iMiEV had 0 sales for January so dropped off the list, and the Spark EV was down to 4. Ford's Energi PHEVs were well down for the month, although as they're relatively old I expect they suffered more from the usual January slump than did the newer offerings.
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Thu Mar 02, 2017 3:45 pm

February's U.S. sales total for sub-$40k MSRP PEVs:

BEV, 2,929, 35.5% (9 types: LEAF; 500e; e-Golf; Spark EV; Soul EV; Focus Electric; Smart ED; Bolt; iMiEV).
PHEV, 5,318, 64.5% (7 types: Volt; Fusion Energi; C-Max Energi; A3 E-tron; Sonata PHEV; Prius Prime; Optima PHV)
Total 8,247.

BEVs dropped a couple of % compared to last month, as the Bolt's sales slumped. The LEAF outsold it by 1,037 to 952. Volt and Prius Prime ranked #1 and #2 among 'affordable' PEVs.
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