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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:59 am

GRA wrote:BEVs dropped a couple of % compared to last month, as the Bolt's sales slumped. The LEAF outsold it by 1,037 to 952.
This is interesting. I wonder how much of this is driven by limited availability of the Bolt and large discounts on remaining 2016 Leafs? And how much is driven by the difference in OTD price between a 2017 Leaf S30 and a Bolt?
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Fri Mar 03, 2017 4:15 pm

Dooglas wrote:
GRA wrote:BEVs dropped a couple of % compared to last month, as the Bolt's sales slumped. The LEAF outsold it by 1,037 to 952.
This is interesting. I wonder how much of this is driven by limited availability of the Bolt and large discounts on remaining 2016 Leafs? And how much is driven by the difference in OTD price between a 2017 Leaf S30 and a Bolt?

Per IEVS the Bolt's inventory is higher than the LEAF's, so it must be one of the others:
Definitely the ‘surprise’ of the month was that the 75-month-old Nissan LEAF outsold the brand new Chevrolet Bolt EV – despite the [word missing, but the context says it should be 'Bolt'] having more in-stock inventory on hand for the month. The world has truly gone mad. . . .

Unfortunately, and despite added 3 more states of availability in February (Massachusetts, Maryland and Virginia joined California and Oregon), Bolt EV sales fell to 952 moved during the month.

And the sales slump didn’t have anything to do with inventory, as it steadily grew over the course of the month, ending several hundred units higher than the month prior and rapidly closing in on the 2,000 unit mark. . . .
http://insideevs.com/february-2017-plug ... port-card/
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Sat Mar 04, 2017 9:12 am

Dooglas wrote:
GRA wrote:BEVs dropped a couple of % compared to last month, as the Bolt's sales slumped. The LEAF outsold it by 1,037 to 952.
This is interesting. I wonder how much of this is driven by limited availability of the Bolt and large discounts on remaining 2016 Leafs? And how much is driven by the difference in OTD price between a 2017 Leaf S30 and a Bolt?



its primarily driven by Chevy's BS lease rates (I know close to 10 people who were all ready to get a Bolt but have balked) not passing the fed credit on making the "about $30,000 EV" nearly $40,000....


As far as supply? They are flooded in the markets they are available in and that market is expanding. FOM; sales are simply slow...
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Sun Mar 05, 2017 9:58 am

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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:23 pm

Dooglas wrote:This is interesting. I wonder how much of this is driven by limited availability of the Bolt and large discounts on remaining 2016 Leafs? And how much is driven by the difference in OTD price between a 2017 Leaf S30 and a Bolt?

There is a dealer with large Bolt inventory in CA advertising $3k off MSRP. So, I'd say lack of demand due to high price.
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:23 am

They'll learn sooner or later... I would never have leased the Volt if the deals were the same as what they are currently doing on the Bolt!
On the Volt, I got a large amount off of MSRP, a very low money factor, and almost the entire $7, 500 tax credit... With $3,000 down, my payments are 276 a month (plus tax) for a Premier with everything and 15,500 miles a year...

evnow wrote:There is a dealer with large Bolt inventory in CA advertising $3k off MSRP. So, I'd say lack of demand due to high price.
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:11 am

Yes sure it's partly the price but what stopped me cold on the volt was unreliability their electric information system (computer ) causing problems, and the dealers are not competent enough to get them back on the road in a timely fashion. Leaf has a much better reliability rating.

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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:46 am

Maybe I am just lucky but in 20,000 miles, my Volt has been flawless... And it is so much a nicer and better driving car than the Leaf!

orioniggies wrote:Yes sure it's partly the price but what stopped me cold on the volt was unreliability their electric information system (computer ) causing problems, and the dealers are not competent enough to get them back on the road in a timely fashion. Leaf has a much better reliability rating.
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71,770 miles/12 bars/256 Gids/59.04 AHr/88% SOH/87.92% Hx 3Mar16 at lease return.

Now driving a 2017 Volt Premier. Model 3 reserved.

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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:26 pm

orioniggies wrote:Yes sure it's partly the price but what stopped me cold on the volt was unreliability their electric information system (computer ) causing problems, and the dealers are not competent enough to get them back on the road in a timely fashion. Leaf has a much better reliability rating.


What overall system design has a higher probability of failure?

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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:30 pm

lorenfb wrote:
orioniggies wrote:Yes sure it's partly the price but what stopped me cold on the volt was unreliability their electric information system (computer ) causing problems, and the dealers are not competent enough to get them back on the road in a timely fashion. Leaf has a much better reliability rating.


What overall system design has a higher probability of failure?

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The 24kw battery (oddly)

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