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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:34 am

The Volt has outsold the LEAF month-for-month since Oct-2015... but that streak will probably end this month, making this thread's title true again.
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:28 pm

I've now edited the Feb. 2018 sales post upthread with the updated info from IEVS. The Ionic PHEV saw a large jump compared to the earlier numbers, from 20 to 178, easily overtaking the Smart for the lead in the sub-$25k MSRP class. I'm sure it will continue to pull away.
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:47 am

RegGuheert on March 1, 2018 wrote:I will go on record and predict that February 2018 will be the last month ever that the Chevy Volt beats the LEAF in the U.S. (Of course it has never beaten the LEAF worldwide, at least not in terms of yearly sales.)
Wow! All my prognostications from last month were awful! I was SURE this one was safe, but it went down the very first month: Volt: 1782, LEAF: 1500

What happened?! :shock:
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:56 am

RegGuheert wrote:
RegGuheert on March 1, 2018 wrote:I will go on record and predict that February 2018 will be the last month ever that the Chevy Volt beats the LEAF in the U.S. (Of course it has never beaten the LEAF worldwide, at least not in terms of yearly sales.)
Wow! All my prognostications from last month were awful! I was SURE this one was safe, but it went down the very first month: Volt: 1782, LEAF: 1500

What happened?! :shock:


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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:10 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:LEAF still limited in certain areas.
O.K. I get that. But how did GM managed to sell so many Volts? Fire sale?
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:50 am

RegGuheert wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:LEAF still limited in certain areas.
O.K. I get that. But how did GM managed to sell so many Volts? Fire sale?


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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:48 am

Don't know about the Volt but a guy at work just bought a Bolt and he said he got that vs a Leaf to appease his wife's range anxieties. His commute is well within a G1 Leaf and the G2 would be over-kill but he can afford the Bolt and the range is significantly larger. Sample size of 1 of course...

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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Tue Apr 03, 2018 1:34 pm

RegGuheert wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:LEAF still limited in certain areas.
O.K. I get that. But how did GM managed to sell so many Volts? Fire sale?


Considering Tesla finally started shipping out enough Model 3 to top the insideevs scoreboard I'd be selling Volts in a fire sale. No telling if they'll be able to sell them easily later.

I'd expect Model 3 availability to dampen demand on everything else on that scoreboard that isn't a Tesla.

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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:03 pm

dhanson865 wrote:...
Considering Tesla finally started shipping out enough Model 3 to top the insideevs scoreboard I'd be selling Volts in a fire sale. No telling if they'll be able to sell them easily later.

I'd expect Model 3 availability to dampen demand on everything else on that scoreboard that isn't a Tesla.

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Finally?
Per the chart you posted, the Model 3 has topped the insideevs scoreboard the last three months.
It is very nice to see production start to improve.

That said, I don't see the Model 3 taking sales away from GM or Nissan for the rest of this year, if then.
The market is growing and Tesla, GM and Nissan are responsible for that growth. I see demand of all three continuing to grow as each gets productio, marketing and delivery up to speed.
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:00 pm

^^^Toyota and Honda are also part of that growth, with both the Prime and Clarity PHEVs setting new sales records, and we'll have to see what happened with KIa/Hyundai's newish offerings. With the EPA's (fully expected) action to roll back the GHG and CAFE standards and the legal fight that's about to ensue, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see PEV sales in California shoot up even more than they would have done already owing to higher gas prices and lower eVgo charging prices, due to opposition to this administration's environmental policies and actions. Last year in California HEVs made up 3% of sales, BEVs 2.5% and PHEVs 2.0%, and I expect all those numbers will rise for any/all of the above reasons. Still, even here it's only 7.5% down with 92.5% to go (or 4.5%/95.5% for PEVs only).
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