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Re: LEAF Advisory Board, the sequel...

Mon Dec 01, 2014 2:11 pm

It's a drag that Nissan can't inspire their dealers to unanimously support BEVs and offer 24/7 QCs that are reliable. Like it or not, the dealerships are their public interface and the message recieved is Nissan doesn't take their BEV products or cusomers seriously. Or, failing that, install Tesla style banks of CHAdeMO in strategic locations. Hopefully 100kW ones if they're rolling out 48 kWh packs.
'12 SL last reading @ 2 yr, 22k, 260 GIDs, 62.35 Ahr

'15 SV w/QC, Mfd 5/14, Leased 8/14, 292 GIDs, 64.38 Ahr when new

@ 25 months, 25k, 267 GID, 56.88 Ahr
@ 29 months, 29k, 286 GID, 60.88 Ahr
@ 31 months, 30.3k, 274 GID, 58.39 Ahr

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Re: LEAF Advisory Board, the sequel...

Mon Dec 01, 2014 2:13 pm

rslatkin wrote:Reliable, widespread fast charging could be a game changer. Keep at it!

Reliable, (and/or quickly-repaired), reasonably-priced, network-unified, multiple-plugs-per-station, and widespread fast charging [...]

So I concur, but with a few more qualifiers!
I think I just felt my paradigm shift.

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Re: LEAF Advisory Board, the sequel...

Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:55 pm

As long as they continue installing only one, and much less occasionally two, QCs in a location, it will never gain any usable Traction. Tesla knows how to do it and Nissan apparently does not (or will not)...

rslatkin wrote:Reliable, widespread fast charging could be a game changer. Keep at it!
59,991 miles/12 bars/289 Gids/68.54 AHr/101% SOH/101.64% Hx 7May15 w/ new Lizard (barely made the warranty).
71,770 miles/12 bars/256 Gids/59.04 AHr/88% SOH/87.92% Hx 3Mar16 at lease return.

Now driving a 2017 Volt Premier. Model 3 reserved.

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Re: LEAF Advisory Board, the sequel...

Fri Jan 02, 2015 8:31 pm

Moof wrote:3) Drop the trees, they are stupid and make little sense.


Brilliant idea. I'll be happy to provide the chainsaw!
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Re: LEAF Advisory Board, the sequel...

Fri Jan 02, 2015 9:12 pm

Lots of the thread is devoted to analog v digital speedometer discussion.

The solution is clear to me. Give the customer the option since we seem to be evenly split. My $1,000 desktop computer or $500 laptop can have a analog or digital clock, why not my $30,000 car?

Tesla give their customers many customization, Nissan need to learn the same trick. Default choices for those who don't care, options for those who do.

As for the GOM. Pay the author of LEAFSpy for his algorithms and implement them in the LEAF. With the latest adjustments for cold weather/battery LEAFSpy is accurate within 1 mile over a 38 mile one way commute. Here's how I achieve that amazing accuracy. I read the miles/kWh off the LEAF dash and put it into Leafspy. Bingo. Nissan could feed the miles/KwH automatically into the algorithm. Don't make me think!

Bigger battery? Yes please and thank you!! With a bigger battery/range Charging needs to be L1/L2 for home and work. L3 for public locations. Nissan should be actively encouraging workplaces to install charging stations, it boosts sales, why are they not doing this already? Nissan should underwrite the build-out of a L3 network with redundancy. They have at least started this effort, just forgot to build in redundancy and assure 24/7 access. Did you know the L3 Blink units at Cracker Barrels are disabled after the stores close? Eh?
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Re: LEAF Advisory Board, the sequel...

Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:54 pm

With all the replies and debate, I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned making the OBDII port compatible with ICE vehicles. I'm sure much of the information doesn't apply, but basic functions should be the same.

My specific complaint is that I can't get the Progressive Snapshot discount on the LEAF. There is much debate, some hate it as intrusion, which it is, but it also helps to make people better drivers in my opinion. But if you're excellent, which I have proven on the Prius that I am, you can get a 30% discount, which is a huge savings.

If Nissan can't make things compatible, someone at Nissan should work a bit with Progressive to come up with a LEAF snapshot device.

My only other comment is about the QC network, which now is mostly on dealership lots. It has improved greatly in the past year or so, but I was prevented from making a 1200 mile round trip because I'd have to return on a Sunday and the dealerships were closed. So I ended up not being able to go. I understand dealership security, but still it should be possible to install the QC somewhere on the lot so a LEAF could use it even when the dealership is closed.

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Re: LEAF Advisory Board, the sequel...

Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:04 am

sub3marathonman wrote:With all the replies and debate, I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned making the OBDII port compatible with ICE vehicles. I'm sure much of the information doesn't apply, but basic functions should be the same.

My specific complaint is that I can't get the Progressive Snapshot discount on the LEAF. There is much debate, some hate it as intrusion, which it is, but it also helps to make people better drivers in my opinion. But if you're excellent, which I have proven on the Prius that I am, you can get a 30% discount, which is a huge savings.

If Nissan can't make things compatible, someone at Nissan should work a bit with Progressive to come up with a LEAF snapshot device.

My only other comment is about the QC network, which now is mostly on dealership lots. It has improved greatly in the past year or so, but I was prevented from making a 1200 mile round trip because I'd have to return on a Sunday and the dealerships were closed. So I ended up not being able to go. I understand dealership security, but still it should be possible to install the QC somewhere on the lot so a LEAF could use it even when the dealership is closed.


The issue lies more with the makers of the obdii device. Even on ice cars compatability isn't 100% with obd scanners and loggers. The leaf reports speed and braking. I wonder what else they need for insurance purposes.
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Re: LEAF Advisory Board, the sequel...

Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:49 am

JPWhite wrote:Lots of the thread is devoted to analog v digital speedometer discussion.

The solution is clear to me. Give the customer the option since we seem to be evenly split. My $1,000 desktop computer or $500 laptop can have a analog or digital clock, why not my $30,000 car?

Tesla give their customers many customization, Nissan need to learn the same trick. Default choices for those who don't care, options for those who do.

As for the GOM. Pay the author of LEAFSpy for his algorithms and implement them in the LEAF. With the latest adjustments for cold weather/battery LEAFSpy is accurate within 1 mile over a 38 mile one way commute. Here's how I achieve that amazing accuracy. I read the miles/kWh off the LEAF dash and put it into Leafspy. Bingo. Nissan could feed the miles/KwH automatically into the algorithm. Don't make me think!

how does LEAF Energy compare as an app for accuracy?
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Re: LEAF Advisory Board, the sequel...

Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:30 am

thankyouOB wrote:how does LEAF Energy compare as an app for accuracy?


It seems to be a little optimistic in arriving at the miles/kWh and therefore overstates range by a little. It estimated I would use 9 fuel bars at today's speeds, temps, and elevation change but I actually used 10. It estimates I would get 4.4 miles/kWh when reality is closer to 4.

So I would say it is a little too optimistic by maybe 10%, but much better than the GOM.

Its been a while since I used the app. I have it on my iPad which I don't use when I drive. Thanks for reminding me I had it :-)
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Re: LEAF Advisory Board, the sequel...

Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:41 pm

JPWhite wrote:
thankyouOB wrote:how does LEAF Energy compare as an app for accuracy?


It seems to be a little optimistic in arriving at the miles/kWh and therefore overstates range by a little. It estimated I would use 9 fuel bars at today's speeds, temps, and elevation change but I actually used 10. It estimates I would get 4.4 miles/kWh when reality is closer to 4.

So I would say it is a little too optimistic by maybe 10%, but much better than the GOM.

Its been a while since I used the app. I have it on my iPad which I don't use when I drive. Thanks for reminding me I had it :-)

one reason why (actually there are several) I like LEAF Spy in that it allows you to enter your miles/kwh. Each driving condition and style along with weather and traffic creates nearly infinite possibilities.
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