jlsoaz
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Re: Price to retrofit a used 2011-2015 Leaf with a new 30 kWh (or higher) battery?

Sun Apr 24, 2016 5:15 pm

jlsoaz wrote:
gschettl wrote:Assuming Nissan will never offer an official retrofit option to replace the 24 kWh battery in my 2012 SL with a 30 kWh... is there anybody out there poised to do this retrofit unofficially. It's my preference to keep my chassis & swap my original 24 kWh battery for a new or slightly used 30 kWh battery, but I don't have the time nor skill to do such a swap, (unless I was offered a plug and play set-up). Also I wouldn't care if the SOC bars etc. were correct, but I understand the battery management system changes with the 30 kWh battery.


There must be someone, but so far the only thing I"ve seen is this very dubious claim from a few months ago:

http://cleantechnica.com/2016/01/19/3rd ... to-48-kwh/
3rd-Party Nissan LEAF Battery Pack Upgrades — Doubling To 48 kWh
January 19th, 2016 by James Ayre

I can't even find a reliable web page for these folks, I doubt I'd trust them with a major vehicle after-market change.


There is also this, a battery trailer solution. It's not quite the same thing as retrofitting the vehicle for a battery kWh upgrade, but would have its advantages including that it is much less invasive of the established vehicle setup. Unfortunately, it seems to be taking its time really becoming available and I don't know what pricing will be.

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Re: Price to retrofit a used 2011-2015 Leaf with a new 30 kWh (or higher) battery?

Sun Apr 24, 2016 5:20 pm

It's a big risk to mod the batteries because of liability. Something goes wrong, fire, you're on the hook for damages or worse lives. I don't think we'll see too many shops jumping on this business, if any at all.
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jlsoaz
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Re: Price to retrofit a used 2011-2015 Leaf with a new 30 kWh (or higher) battery?

Mon Apr 25, 2016 11:36 am

Valdemar wrote:It's a big risk to mod the batteries because of liability. Something goes wrong, fire, you're on the hook for damages or worse lives. I don't think we'll see too many shops jumping on this business, if any at all.


It's not clear to me if any will get into the business of modifying the batteries in a serious way, but I think the fact that some would even consider doing so could be perhaps taken as a sign that a small number of folks will consider modifying their cars whether the manufacturer likes it or not, and that there is some extra motivation in this case for some Leaf drivers who might not otherwise have considered paying for modifying a car.

Separately, I think there are both pros and cons to the alternative trailer solution. Negatives might include that driving and parking dynamics change and not necessarily for the better (I'm not sure I've ever even driven a car with a trailer, but I assume they would change). Also, some folks might not like the overall look of the whole setup. However, on the plus side, I think a big plus might be that the Leaf would presumably require far less modification.
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Re: Price to retrofit a used 2011-2015 Leaf with a new 30 kWh (or higher) battery?

Mon Apr 25, 2016 11:43 am

Depending of how many in total these 100 mile generation EVs get sold in the US, before we move up to the 200 mile range cars...tinkering with the battery to extend the 100 mile range cars to longer range is inevitable...somebody is going to figure it out and offer it...

Of course, if the total no. of cars sold is not that very high, these cars might just get obsoleted..all of them...
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Re: Price to retrofit a used 2011-2015 Leaf with a new 30 kWh (or higher) battery?

Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:05 pm

imo - the comedy of errors (beyond telling Leaf owners air cool is great, cuz your body is air cooled) is the difference in Nissan Leaf having NO chance for a bigger battery, & tesla still supporting the MUCH more limited Roadster - offering an upgrade from ~200 mile to ~400 mile.
Sad, but Nissan doesn't apparently understand at ALL, the notion of "Good Will". Puny batteries dwindling away, and they couldn't care less.
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Re: Price to retrofit a used 2011-2015 Leaf with a new 30 kWh (or higher) battery?

Sun Sep 04, 2016 6:40 am

hill wrote:imo - the comedy of errors (beyond telling Leaf owners air cool is great, cuz your body is air cooled) is the difference in Nissan Leaf having NO chance for a bigger battery, & tesla still supporting the MUCH more limited Roadster - offering an upgrade from ~200 mile to ~400 mile.
Sad, but Nissan doesn't apparently understand at ALL, the notion of "Good Will". Puny batteries dwindling away, and they couldn't care less.
:roll:
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Appreciate your added point to the thread.

I think in some cases they have taken measures that they kind of (but not fully) got right. I have wondered to myself if their execution on the No-Charge-To-Charge program might have been example of this. Really good idea, IMO, but should they perhaps have simply have included everyone? I don't know.

Another example of a decent act of good will, but which was not perfectly executed, was that some of the dealership fast charge stations were located inside dealership walls and in some cases these were the only DCFC choices for dozens of miles. It was quite frustrating to need a public charge on a Sunday, or after hours, and to know that I could not use the only DCFC in town because it was cordoned off. I would have been glad to pay for the charge, but I just needed to avoid wasting hours sitting at a public L2. Nissan and its dealers spent all that money, but then severely impaired the usefulness of that timely expenditure.

When they do come out with a higher-than-30kWh BEV, to me it will be "better late than never". As to battery maintenance/repair/replacement/cooling, will they future-proof it a bit better? I haven't read up on this.
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Re: Price to retrofit a used 2011-2015 Leaf with a new 30 kWh (or higher) battery?

Tue Oct 11, 2016 8:12 am

Green Car Reports says that mid-year the S got the same 30kWh battery as the SL/SV.
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/110 ... gher-price

This essentially admits that the 25kWh battery has stopped production. So is there a stockpile of 25 to meet any (remaining) warranty claims? (Though I have to admit that my own 2013 has now gone 41k and not lost a pip).

Will there be an interest in keeping the 30kWh production going after the Leaf 2 comes out? That looks like the only long-term hope that there's some kind of adaptive rewiring possible.

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Re: Price to retrofit a used 2011-2015 Leaf with a new 30 kWh (or higher) battery?

Tue Oct 11, 2016 8:42 am

Arlington wrote:Green Car Reports says that mid-year the S got the same 30kWh battery as the SL/SV.
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/110 ... gher-price

This essentially admits that the 25kWh battery has stopped production. So is there a stockpile of 25 to meet any (remaining) warranty claims? (Though I have to admit that my own 2013 has now gone 41k and not lost a pip).

Will there be an interest in keeping the 30kWh production going after the Leaf 2 comes out? That looks like the only long-term hope that there's some kind of adaptive rewiring possible.


Thanks for posting this. It makes sense in my view - how were they going to sell 24 kWh Leafs in this increasingly competitive environment? Maybe at a lower price. Aside from warranty claims, for me the question becomes whether Nissan will ever offer a retrofit of a 2011-2012 era model with a 30+ kWh pack, and if so, how much it would cost to get this done, and would the final cost make it competitive with used and new 30 KwH BEVs.

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Re: Price to retrofit a used 2011-2015 Leaf with a new 30 kWh (or higher) battery?

Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:49 am

Who knows? When some of our newer vintage Leafs need a battery, they may be putting in a 50 kwh replacement??

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Re: Price to retrofit a used 2011-2015 Leaf with a new 30 kWh (or higher) battery?

Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:58 am

Does it mean some lucky 2011/12 owners will get their pack replaced with a 30kWh version under warranty?
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