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Price to retrofit a used 2011-2015 Leaf with a new 30 kWh (or higher) battery?

Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:34 pm

Hi all:

We know the battery replacement price (about $6k, unless I am reading things incorrectly) for a 24 kWh battery. I guess what I'm wondering is if/when prices and terms (further modifications to the vehicle?) will be posted for a 30 kWh pack, now that a 30 kWh is finally to be announced (I'm thinking the pack itself is not yet official, but appears to be something that Nissan is moving toward.... however, if it is released, I don't know if it will be something we could buy as a stand-alone and put into a used Leaf).

There's sort of precedent for this (in a way?) in that Tesla offered Roadster owners the opportunity to buy a battery retrofit after the years passed and battery technology had improved sufficiently that it was worth it to replace the batteries.

I'm still not sure a 30 kWh pack will quite be enough for me (it doesn't quite get me fully down highways that are lacking in DCQC to my destination points), but still, I'm hoping that Nissan is open-minded and willing to consider ideas like retrofitting old vehicles with improved packs.


fwiw, here was the info for the 24 kWh pack
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=17168
Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement
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"...Battery replacements are now available for purchase at your certified Nissan LEAF dealers in the United States. The suggested retail price of the Nissan LEAF battery pack is $5,499. This price includes and requires a return of your original battery pack (valued at $1,000) to the dealer in exchange for the new battery. This price does not include tax, installation fees or an installation kit required for 2011 and 2012 vehicles. The MSRP for the installation kit (which includes brackets and other minor parts required to retrofit the newer pack to original vehicles) is approximately $225. Nissan expects the installation to take about three hours. However, dealers set the final pricing, so we recommend confirming with your local retailer.

"We are also continuing to finalize details for a Nissan financing program for those who prefer an affordable monthly payment option, and we expect to keep that monthly payment in the $100 per month range. But to be clear, at the end of the finance terms, you own the battery. It is not a lease or rental. I will post more details here later this year when they are finalized, but we didn’t want to delay announcing the battery price itself any longer. ...."

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Re: Price to retrofit a used 2011-2015 Leaf with a new 30 kWh (or higher) battery?

Tue Aug 18, 2015 1:01 pm

It won't happen. Nissan has no interest in selling larger packs for older cars... The business model is simply not there. Even if they have to eventually use 30Kwh packs for warranty or other replacement in older cars, they'll software limit it to 24 KWh like Tesla did...

jlsoaz wrote:We know the battery replacement price (about $6k, unless I am reading things incorrectly) for a 24 kWh battery. I guess what I'm wondering is if/when prices and terms (further modifications to the vehicle?) will be posted for a 30 kWh pack, now that a 30 kWh is finally to be announced (I'm thinking the pack itself is not yet official, but appears to be something that Nissan is moving toward.... however, if it is released, I don't know if it will be something we could buy as a stand-alone and put into a used Leaf).
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Re: Price to retrofit a used 2011-2015 Leaf with a new 30 kWh (or higher) battery?

Tue Aug 18, 2015 2:38 pm

TomT wrote:It won't happen. Nissan has no interest in selling larger packs for older cars... The business model is simply not there. Even if they have to eventually use 30Kwh packs for warranty or other replacement in older cars, they'll software limit it to 24 KWh like Tesla did...


This may not be too bad of a deal if you will not be paying premium on that dead capacity, and 30kWh pack limited to 24 will last a long while.

One aspect which is bothering me is that by the time a Leaf needs a non-warrantied battery its market price will be pretty low. So you drop 6 large on a new pack, which is likely 2-3 times what your car's KBB value is, and next week your car is totaled. What will your insurance company say?
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Re: Price to retrofit a used 2011-2015 Leaf with a new 30 kWh (or higher) battery?

Tue Aug 18, 2015 3:55 pm

"Too bad, so sad!"

Valdemar wrote:So you drop 6 large on a new pack, which is likely 2-3 times what your car's KBB value is, and next week your car is totaled. What will your insurance company say?
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Re: Price to retrofit a used 2011-2015 Leaf with a new 30 kWh (or higher) battery?

Tue Aug 18, 2015 4:02 pm

TomT wrote:"Too bad, so sad!"

Valdemar wrote:So you drop 6 large on a new pack, which is likely 2-3 times what your car's KBB value is, and next week your car is totaled. What will your insurance company say?


Exactly. To make matters worse a fairly minor accident may trigger a total loss from the insurer's point of view. Maybe I won't be buying a replacement pack after all.
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Re: Price to retrofit a used 2011-2015 Leaf with a new 30 kWh (or higher) battery?

Tue Aug 18, 2015 5:37 pm

According to my inside sources at Nissan, a 30Kwh pack upgrade will cost approximately $34K minus the core trade-in on your existing pack.
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Re: Price to retrofit a used 2011-2015 Leaf with a new 30 kWh (or higher) battery?

Tue Aug 18, 2015 5:41 pm

TomT wrote:It won't happen. Nissan has no interest in selling larger packs for older cars... The business model is simply not there. Even if they have to eventually use 30Kwh packs for warranty or other replacement in older cars, they'll software limit it to 24 KWh like Tesla did...

There is no business model for that too ...

You are just letting your prejudice get the better of you here.
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Re: Price to retrofit a used 2011-2015 Leaf with a new 30 kWh (or higher) battery?

Tue Aug 18, 2015 5:44 pm

    OrientExpress wrote:According to my inside sources at Nissan, a 30Kwh pack upgrade will cost approximately $34K minus the core trade-in on your existing pack.


    You mean to buy a new pack? Ouch. I hope this is a typo...
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    Re: Price to retrofit a used 2011-2015 Leaf with a new 30 kWh (or higher) battery?

    Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:07 pm

    Valdemar wrote:
      OrientExpress wrote:According to my inside sources at Nissan, a 30Kwh pack upgrade will cost approximately $34K minus the core trade-in on your existing pack.


      You mean to buy a new pack? Ouch. I hope this is a typo...


      I have a feeling OE is implying that the way to get the 30Kwh pack is to buy a new Leaf....
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      Re: Price to retrofit a used 2011-2015 Leaf with a new 30 kWh (or higher) battery?

      Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:48 pm

      In another thread Tony Williams expressed the conviction that the 30 kwh packs would be available to retrofit in older Leafs. I don't know what his reasoning was.
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