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Re: 2016 LEAF Specifications

Fri Nov 06, 2015 2:57 pm

Here is a link to the Nissan press release for the 2016 Leaf. More hype, much better English. http://nissannews.com/en-US/nissan/usa/releases/nissan-announces-u-s-pricing-for-2016-leaf?query=2016+Leaf
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Re: 2016 LEAF Specifications

Tue Feb 23, 2016 5:32 pm

I'm confused about a story on teh interwebs...

I saw this quote:
Perhaps most importantly, the driving range is significantly increased to 155 miles (249.5km) per charge, up from 107 miles (172.2km) on a 2016 model year Leaf with its older version of the 30 KWh battery.


From here: http://www.thestar.com.my/tech/tech-new ... -congress/

Just a messed up article? Pseudo numbers (i.e. 155 on some test range, but really 107)? This is projected for the 17?? Or??

Just looked weird...
If it's still a 30KWh battery, I'm not sure how they could go from 107 to 155 with the same basic battery size???

I have 120 mile round trip commute, so 107 wasn't enough to make me blink.. Still have to charge mid day.
But 155, might.. maybe.. (Maybe not tho, in winter at year 5 of ownership??? Hmm..)

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Re: 2016 LEAF Specifications

Tue Feb 23, 2016 6:15 pm

desiv wrote:I'm confused about a story on teh interwebs...

I saw this quote:
Perhaps most importantly, the driving range is significantly increased to 155 miles (249.5km) per charge, up from 107 miles (172.2km) on a 2016 model year Leaf with its older version of the 30 KWh battery.


From here: http://www.thestar.com.my/tech/tech-new ... -congress/

Just a messed up article? Pseudo numbers (i.e. 155 on some test range, but really 107)? This is projected for the 17?? Or??

Just looked weird...
If it's still a 30KWh battery, I'm not sure how they could go from 107 to 155 with the same basic battery size???

I have 120 mile round trip commute, so 107 wasn't enough to make me blink.. Still have to charge mid day.
But 155, might.. maybe.. (Maybe not tho, in winter at year 5 of ownership??? Hmm..)

desiv

I'm virtually certain it's just a clueless journalist. It appears the original source was Agence France-Press, which means that the 155 miles (actually 250km) was the NEDC range, and the author of this article was comparing it to the LEAF's EPA range of 107 miles and thinking it represented a different battery.
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Re: 2016 LEAF Specifications

Tue Feb 23, 2016 10:50 pm

But why 'unveil' something that is not changed?

Nissan has indicated they will match or beat Chevy's Bolt, which is due by end on 2016. So it is plausible that they will do a mid-year update on the current Leaf that provides a range increase. The article didn't say what size the new battery was, just that it will have more range than the predecessor's 30kwh battery. In theory, they could boost range by putting in more battery. And I just recently saw a thread here where someone found enough room under the trunk to mount a spare tire. If there is that much spare room under there, I would think they could load in more battery.

I'm starting to think that they will boost the current model's range to compete with the Bolt before Gen 2 gets here. At 155 mile range, that starts to be viable for my commute. It won't do the round-trip, but will cover one way with enough spare to get to a relatives place as a last resort if the workplace charging doesn't work for some reason.

Hopefully they will come through on that. :mrgreen:

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Re: 2016 LEAF Specifications

Tue Feb 23, 2016 11:46 pm

DarthPuppy wrote:But why 'unveil' something that is not changed?

Nissan has indicated they will match or beat Chevy's Bolt, which is due by end on 2016. So it is plausible that they will do a mid-year update on the current Leaf that provides a range increase. The article didn't say what size the new battery was, just that it will have more range than the predecessor's 30kwh battery. In theory, they could boost range by putting in more battery. And I just recently saw a thread here where someone found enough room under the trunk to mount a spare tire. If there is that much spare room under there, I would think they could load in more battery.

I'm starting to think that they will boost the current model's range to compete with the Bolt before Gen 2 gets here. At 155 mile range, that starts to be viable for my commute. It won't do the round-trip, but will cover one way with enough spare to get to a relatives place as a last resort if the workplace charging doesn't work for some reason.

Hopefully they will come through on that. :mrgreen:

I think the point is, the 2016 does already have a 155 Mile range... in European cycle... which is 107 in EPA (USA)
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Re: 2016 LEAF Specifications

Wed Feb 24, 2016 5:32 am

24kWh pack will drive up to 120km (not miles) on 55mph highway.
30kWh pack will get 150km.
Never mention anything about NEDC cycle, this is something EU should be ashamed :evil:
Turns out that NEDC kilometers are rough realworld indication of range in miles.
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Re: 2016 LEAF Specifications

Wed Feb 24, 2016 3:50 pm

I read the article again and it is clearly being pitched as a range improvement over the current 2016 30kwh model. I also noted this time a link at the bottom of the article to a Nissan video.

The video doesn't give range numbers, but does say that the new battery provides 26% more range. Using the current model's 107 mile EPA range, that suggests 134 mile EPA range for the upcoming Leaf. If that is the case, then I'm excited as that would be enough to cover my commute, though I would prefer 150-200 mile range to support the round trip.

Of course, neither the article or the video give any solid answer as to when this new model will arrive.

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Re: 2016 LEAF Specifications

Wed Feb 24, 2016 6:35 pm

DarthPuppy wrote:I read the article again and it is clearly being pitched as a range improvement over the current 2016 30kwh model. I also noted this time a link at the bottom of the article to a Nissan video.

The video doesn't give range numbers, but does say that the new battery provides 26% more range. Using the current model's 107 mile EPA range, that suggests 134 mile EPA range for the upcoming Leaf. If that is the case, then I'm excited as that would be enough to cover my commute, though I would prefer 150-200 mile range to support the round trip.

Of course, neither the article or the video give any solid answer as to when this new model will arrive.

Watching Nissan's video, it seems clear to me that they're just talking about the 2016 30kWh car providing ~26% more range than the 24kWh. The 30kWh is just being introduced across Europe. I see no indication that Nissan is talking about another battery upgrade for the 2017 current gen platform - it would hardly be worthwhile for such a short term. Putting more batteries in the spare tire well, as was widely discussed here over the past five years, would require all new crash tests, and that's highly unlikely as well with such a short remaining life for this gen.
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Re: 2016 LEAF Specifications

Wed Feb 24, 2016 7:11 pm

DarthPuppy wrote:I read the article again and it is clearly being pitched as a range improvement over the current 2016 30kwh model. I also noted this time a link at the bottom of the article to a Nissan video.

The video doesn't give range numbers, but does say that the new battery provides 26% more range. Using the current model's 107 mile EPA range, that suggests 134 mile EPA range for the upcoming Leaf. If that is the case, then I'm excited as that would be enough to cover my commute, though I would prefer 150-200 mile range to support the round trip.

Of course, neither the article or the video give any solid answer as to when this new model will arrive.


I don't read that. What this journalist is calling 3rd generation is simply the 30kWh model. 2011/12 was the original. 2013 was a mid cycle upgrade and now end of life upgrade with the 30kWh upgrade and new telematics. I think the journalist counts the upgrades as generations.
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Re: 2016 LEAF Specifications

Wed Feb 24, 2016 10:53 pm

JPWhite wrote:I don't read that. What this journalist is calling 3rd generation is simply the 30kWh model. 2011/12 was the original. 2013 was a mid cycle upgrade and now end of life upgrade with the 30kWh upgrade and new telematics. I think the journalist counts the upgrades as generations.

You're probably right and I was probably reading what I wanted to read. :(

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