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Re: 2015 Nissan LEAF Last in Resale Value

Sat Jan 09, 2016 11:56 pm

My anecdotal evidence of the replacement battery in my leaf - supposedly a Lizard - has shown that it is degrading much faster than I expected or anticipated... So, yeah, I believe that the improvement is less than touted by Nissan...

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Evoforce wrote:The reason I ask is because the 2015 lizard battery is not more durable than any of the previous batteries.
Do you have a link to where they state that they are not improved?
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Re: 2015 Nissan LEAF Last in Resale Value

Sun Jan 10, 2016 4:08 am

there seems to be a difference between new replacement batteries and batteries installed in new cars.... its almost as if Nissan made a big batch of new replacement batteries, but improvements have continued which are not reflected in 'new' replacement batteries.

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Re: 2015 Nissan LEAF Last in Resale Value

Sun Jan 10, 2016 11:39 am

If that is true, they are in violation of the Court-ordered settlement...

ydnas7 wrote:there seems to be a difference between new replacement batteries and batteries installed in new cars.... its almost as if Nissan made a big batch of new replacement batteries, but improvements have continued which are not reflected in 'new' replacement batteries.
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Re: 2015 Nissan LEAF Last in Resale Value

Sun Jan 10, 2016 1:08 pm

The 2015 charges to a higher voltage and discharges to a lower voltage than the 2011. Also, the 2015 spends much more time at low charging current to top off the battery at the end of the L1 or L2 charge cycle. Perhaps the charge/discharge voltage limits and onboard charger characteristics on the 2015 are better-suited to the "lizard" battery.

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Re: 2015 Nissan LEAF Last in Resale Value

Sun Jan 10, 2016 2:21 pm

TomT wrote:If that is true, they are in violation of the Court-ordered settlement...

Well technically a court sanctioned agreement, not a court order.

But more importantly, looking at the data in your signature, it does not seem as if the drop is anything near as bad as you experienced the first time. Am I missing something?
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Re: 2015 Nissan LEAF Last in Resale Value

Sun Jan 10, 2016 3:43 pm

jpadc wrote:
TomT wrote:If that is true, they are in violation of the Court-ordered settlement...

Well technically a court sanctioned agreement, not a court order.

But more importantly, looking at the data in your signature, it does not seem as if the drop is anything near as bad as you experienced the first time. Am I missing something?


His sig is cumlative

SL-e with 59,983 miles/8 bars/187 Gids/43.47 AHr/66% SOH/45.19% Hx 13Mar15.

59,991 miles/12 bars/289 Gids/68.54 AHr/101% SOH/101.64% Hx 7May15 with new Lizard battery.
67,723 miles/12 bars/262 Gids/61.43 AHr/96% SOH/92.15% Hx 08Dec15.

So to know anything about it you have to have a 4th set of data

The 3rd and 4th lines give a delta of 7,732 miles , 7.11 Ahr/5% SOH/9.49%HX

But you don't have the corresponding ~7700 mile data from the first pack. All you have is a ~60,000 mile data for the first pack, nothing comparable to the short period of the 2nd pack.

So I don't see how you could look at the data in his sig and see the comparison he is talking about. The data isn't there. You'd have to look in another thread to see the comparison data.
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Re: 2015 Nissan LEAF Last in Resale Value

Sun Jan 10, 2016 5:04 pm

Yep, it is elsewhere here and you are correct... Also remember that for the first year and a half or so we had no measurement tools until Gary introduced the Gid Meter... The youngsters on here are spoiled! ;)

dhanson865 wrote:So I don't see how you could look at the data in his sig and see the comparison he is talking about. The data isn't there. You'd have to look in another thread to see the comparison data.
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Re: 2015 Nissan LEAF Last in Resale Value

Mon Jan 11, 2016 6:58 am

I don't know why people are so afraid of the resale value "monster". If you paid about or under $20K for the car (after all discounts), and after 6 years, the car is worth $7-8K, where is the problem? Every year, you saved about $2K from not buying gas ($12k), you had the use of the car ($2K per year), and you still have a money-saving electric car that so few are privileged to have... Where is the problem??

I feel blessed that I have a real ELECTRIC car that I OWN, and no one can take away from me (as opposed to the leasers in "Who Killed the Electric Car?) An lastly, the car, just like any other car, will last for decades!!! I can see myself still driving my 2015 down the road in 20 years ($40k savings in gas) when I am 75!. I think that is VALUE out of a $17K car purchase.

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Re: 2015 Nissan LEAF Last in Resale Value

Mon Jan 11, 2016 8:35 am

All depends on how you do the math. In my case, out-of-pocket was $25K in 2011. I'll have to replace the battery this fall, so that's another $6.5K. The car is saving me about $933 a year in gas. If we just look at cost before the new battery, it works out to $25K - $5K (ignoring cost of electricity), or about $20K cost for a car that might bring $5-7K if I tried to sell it. The numbers are worse if I replace the battery. And I don't believe that there will be even the slightest chance that you can buy a replacement battery in ten years. Nissan seems to be having difficulties supplying replacement batteries for 2011 Leafs already.

If it fits your lifestyle, I think a used Leaf can be an incredible bargain. But I would never recommend that anyone do what I did... buy a new one. It is as bad an "investment" as a boat or motorhome.

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Re: 2015 Nissan LEAF Last in Resale Value

Mon Jan 11, 2016 5:10 pm

kolmstead wrote:All depends on how you do the math. In my case, out-of-pocket was $25K in 2011. I'll have to replace the battery this fall, so that's another $6.5K. The car is saving me about $933 a year in gas. If we just look at cost before the new battery, it works out to $25K - $5K (ignoring cost of electricity), or about $20K cost for a car that might bring $5-7K if I tried to sell it.

But in fairness Karl, its not often that "early adopters" of a new and untried technology come out well financially in the transaction (e.g., the first satellite DirectTV buyers, the first iPhone buyers) even when long-term those technologies turned out better for others. And (although something I thought was a bad idea) many of the early adopters exploited the Car Pool lane exception in places like CA and that had some "financial" value as well that should be factored in the "costs."
kolmstead wrote:And I don't believe that there will be even the slightest chance that you can buy a replacement battery in ten years.

Nissan is in the business of selling new cars, not keeping old ones working
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