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Re: people getting rid of their Leafs/EVs/PHEVs and going back to ICEVs

Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:54 pm

IssacZachary wrote:The more it looks like a Corvette or a Hummer the more people like it. Fast and powerful is cool and sci-fi isn't. I personally would like a car that looks like an Aptera.


That puts you in the Corvette camp. ;-) Me too - I like the Volvo P1800ES.

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Re: people getting rid of their Leafs/EVs/PHEVs and going back to ICEVs

Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:46 am

In May 2017 I got rid of my 2012 Leaf that I had for a year. I loved the ride but couldn't cope with the limited range while having to rely on public charging. It held me back making trips, going to family etc.

I made a pledge to only return to EV when batteries where at least 60kWh. Looks like next year this will be the case and when the 60kWh Leaf has a different battery supplier and a TMS it will be a strong contender.

For now driving a Prius Wagon (+) and driving "EV style" getting good mileage (-:

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Re: people getting rid of their Leafs/EVs/PHEVs and going back to ICEVs

Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:24 pm

camasleaf wrote:I do not care much about how the car looks on the outside. Others see the outside a lot more than me. I care more about the inside and how comfortable it is.

While I'm in agreement with you, that's not how most buyer's minds work. if it were, the car companies wouldn't spend hundreds of millions every year designing the bodies and then showing people what their cars look like, and would just provide a spec sheet and interior model. Even with my emphasis on function over form, if you give me two choices with similar function and price but one's ugly, I'm going to choose the other one. For example, between a Nissan Juke and its replacement the Kicks, assuming they were otherwise about the same functionality, which would you choose? Even more on point, given the choice between the original LEAF body and the 2018 body, assuming they had the same battery pack and price, is there any doubt that the 2018 body would sell better?
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Re: people getting rid of their Leafs/EVs/PHEVs and going back to ICEVs

Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:02 pm

camasleaf wrote:I do not care much about how the car looks on the outside. Others see the outside a lot more than me. I care more about the inside and how comfortable it is.

That's far too sensible an idea. I'm going to have to ask you to leave.

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Re: people getting rid of their Leafs/EVs/PHEVs and going back to ICEVs

Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:08 pm

GRA wrote:
camasleaf wrote:I do not care much about how the car looks on the outside.

While I'm in agreement with you, that's not how most buyer's minds work.


Which is why about 90% of the people in my town own 10mpg gas hog full sized SUV's and pickups even though most are single drivers with jobs and lifestyles that don't need such vehicles.
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Re: people getting rid of their Leafs/EVs/PHEVs and going back to ICEVs

Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:31 pm

While some people do switch back to ICE vehicles, more people are making the switch to EVs.

In addition, most of the time I have heard of someone going back to ICE, it is because EVs don’t yet meet their needs.
The price/capability of EVs is rapidly improving. Most of those that returned to ICE will be back ;)
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Re: people getting rid of their Leafs/EVs/PHEVs and going back to ICEVs

Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:38 pm

Zythryn wrote:While some people do switch back to ICE vehicles, more people are making the switch to EVs.

In addition, most of the time I have heard of someone going back to ICE, it is because EVs don’t yet meet their needs.
The price/capability of EVs is rapidly improving. Most of those that returned to ICE will be back ;)

You can count me as coming back some day. Yes, the problem is that my needs changed and the EV I had didn't meet my new needs, and the ones that meet my needs are still too expensive.
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Re: people getting rid of their Leafs/EVs/PHEVs and going back to ICEVs

Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:23 pm

GRA wrote:Do you need the Volt/Clarity's AER, or would something like the Prime's 25 mile AER work for you? Although it's not going to win any awards, IMO the Prime's looks are a lot more acceptable than the Clarity or the regular Gen 4 Prius. There are a lot of 25-30 mile AER PHEVs out there now, and in Seattle you should have access to most of them.


My commute is 18 miles one way mostly highway, so the only vehicle that made sense is the Clarity and 2nd gen Volt. I occasionally need to carry 5 people so the Prime is out and Volt is barely making it because the center seat is meant for people with no legs. While the Clarity looks pretty good from the front, as soon as the rear quarter panel is shown it becomes unbearable, in a way this is similar to the LEAF.

It's hard going back to full ICE, I had the chance to use a late model Mercedes C300 recently and while it's super comfortable and handles great, the ICE just feels ancient. Other cars I'm considering is the 2018 Accord Hybrid, but with options it can get quite expensive.
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Re: people getting rid of their Leafs/EVs/PHEVs and going back to ICEVs

Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:37 pm

hmmwv wrote:
GRA wrote:Do you need the Volt/Clarity's AER, or would something like the Prime's 25 mile AER work for you? Although it's not going to win any awards, IMO the Prime's looks are a lot more acceptable than the Clarity or the regular Gen 4 Prius. There are a lot of 25-30 mile AER PHEVs out there now, and in Seattle you should have access to most of them.


My commute is 18 miles one way mostly highway, so the only vehicle that made sense is the Clarity and 2nd gen Volt. I occasionally need to carry 5 people so the Prime is out and Volt is barely making it because the center seat is meant for people with no legs. While the Clarity looks pretty good from the front, as soon as the rear quarter panel is shown it becomes unbearable, in a way this is similar to the LEAF.

It's hard going back to full ICE, I had the chance to use a late model Mercedes C300 recently and while it's super comfortable and handles great, the ICE just feels ancient. Other cars I'm considering is the 2018 Accord Hybrid, but with options it can get quite expensive.

Well, there's the Pacifica (Plug-in) Hybrid, at 33 miles AER it will do most of your commute. Course, it is a van, so you might feel the need to always wear a hoodie, ball cap and shades to avoid being recognized while driving it :lol: Base priced at $40k, but that's still more than $8k less than an i3Rex :o :shock: :?
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Re: people getting rid of their Leafs/EVs/PHEVs and going back to ICEVs

Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:13 am

hmmwv wrote:
GRA wrote:Do you need the Volt/Clarity's AER, or would something like the Prime's 25 mile AER work for you? Although it's not going to win any awards, IMO the Prime's looks are a lot more acceptable than the Clarity or the regular Gen 4 Prius. There are a lot of 25-30 mile AER PHEVs out there now, and in Seattle you should have access to most of them.


My commute is 18 miles one way mostly highway, so the only vehicle that made sense is the Clarity and 2nd gen Volt. I occasionally need to carry 5 people so the Prime is out and Volt is barely making it because the center seat is meant for people with no legs. While the Clarity looks pretty good from the front, as soon as the rear quarter panel is shown it becomes unbearable, in a way this is similar to the LEAF.

It's hard going back to full ICE, I had the chance to use a late model Mercedes C300 recently and while it's super comfortable and handles great, the ICE just feels ancient. Other cars I'm considering is the 2018 Accord Hybrid, but with options it can get quite expensive.


If you can convince your employer to let you charge at work, then pretty much any PHEV available can make your commute on electricity.
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