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Re: 2016 Apr Plugin Sales Discussion : Leaf 787 - Total ?

Wed May 04, 2016 4:04 pm

cwerdna wrote:..., they mention red hot sales of the Ford F-150 truck, Chevy Silverado and SUVs...Sigh...


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yet last months CAFE rating was higher than the yearly average in recent years. And 2016 is looking to more fuel efficient than last year and all the recent preceding years.

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Re: 2016 Apr Plugin Sales Discussion : Leaf 787 - Total ?

Wed May 04, 2016 4:37 pm

cwerdna wrote:Meanwhile, starting around 3:16 of http://nbr.com/2016/05/03/nightly-busin ... -3-2016-2/, they mention red hot sales of the Ford F-150 truck, Chevy Silverado and SUVs.

Per http://nissannews.com/en-US/nissan/usa/ ... -u-s-sales, US Leaf sales are down 49.3% vs. the same period last year and down 34.1% YTD. Total Nissan group sales are up 12.8% vs. same month last year and up 9.8% CYTD.

I am a bit surprised that per http://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/, Volt sales are still so strong, given that CA green HOV stickers are gone. I guess they're still wanted in general and/or outside CA. <snip>

I've been somewhat surprised at the number of Volt 2's I see here, despite the loss of the stickers. There's been a few that got in under the wire and had them, but the vast majority I see don't. I think people realize it's a pretty good, flexible car even without the perk, although it's still too expensive. I concur with your <sigh>, but at least there's a much higher percentage of small CUVs rather than hulking truck-based SUVs (those you call BROD-class) in the mix these days. Even the standard pickups are improving in fuel-efficiency.
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Re: 2016 Apr Plugin Sales Discussion : Leaf 787 - Total ?

Wed May 04, 2016 10:04 pm

Swimming a bit upstream here, I might actually consider buying a 2016 SV, although that would mainly happen if incentives (NY finally has one! but I don't know if it will apply to leasing) make buying the same cost or cheaper. Failing that I'll probably lease one, now that lease rates are falling. I only need a solid 100 miles of range, and I think that, knowing what I know now, I can limit degradation to 10% in the few years I'm likely to be driving it. With the Bolt and especially with the Model 3, I'd be much more worried about early production Buggy-ness than I'd be with a Leaf. I need to get another car within the next 12 months, and in that time frame the Leaf looks best to me.
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Re: 2016 Apr Plugin Sales Discussion : Leaf 787 - Total ?

Thu May 05, 2016 9:43 am

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DNAinaGoodWay wrote:.... I have until August 2017, so should be out by then. Hopefully a 60 kWh eNV200 too.

I'd be happy with any eNV200! well I suppose it would have to have at least a 30kWh battery to even equal a Leaf with a 24kWh battery and I'd prefer a larger battery but come on Nissan(or anyone!) come out with a smaller BEV utility van, I think they'd be surprised of the market. Extend the body and make it a 7 passenger(like the Transit connect or eNV200 in other markets) and you'll have a family hauler hit on your hands!


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Re: 2016 Apr Plugin Sales Discussion : Leaf 787 - Total ?

Thu May 05, 2016 9:52 am

Great news for the Volt, bad news for the Leaf... The Leaf is suffering from too little, too late!
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Re: 2016 Apr Plugin Sales Discussion : Leaf 787 - Total ?

Thu May 05, 2016 2:55 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:<snip>
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Too bad Ford Fleet Vehicles are not available to the general public

Wouldn't matter, as IIRR Ford discontinued the Transit Connect EV a couple of years back: http://wardsauto.com/industry/ford-supp ... bankruptcy
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Re: 2016 Apr Plugin Sales Discussion : Leaf 787 - Total ?

Sat May 28, 2016 7:02 pm

GRA wrote:
cwerdna wrote:Meanwhile, starting around 3:16 of http://nbr.com/2016/05/03/nightly-busin ... -3-2016-2/, they mention red hot sales of the Ford F-150 truck, Chevy Silverado and SUVs.

Per http://nissannews.com/en-US/nissan/usa/ ... -u-s-sales, US Leaf sales are down 49.3% vs. the same period last year and down 34.1% YTD. Total Nissan group sales are up 12.8% vs. same month last year and up 9.8% CYTD.

I am a bit surprised that per http://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/, Volt sales are still so strong, given that CA green HOV stickers are gone. I guess they're still wanted in general and/or outside CA. <snip>

I've been somewhat surprised at the number of Volt 2's I see here, despite the loss of the stickers. There's been a few that got in under the wire and had them, but the vast majority I see don't. I think people realize it's a pretty good, flexible car even without the perk, although it's still too expensive. I concur with your <sigh>, but at least there's a much higher percentage of small CUVs rather than hulking truck-based SUVs (those you call BROD-class) in the mix these days.

Yeah. BRoD aka Battering Ram of Death to me == full-sized guzzler SUV that weigh over 5000+ lbs and are usually sub-20 mpg combined. Most of them also have terrible accident avoidance capability via terrible handling and brakes.

I just shake my head and am disgusted when I see so many of those running around driven solo and/or w/minimal passengers and cargo. It blows my mind further when I see brand new ones running around, like the solo-driven Yukon XL I saw today w/dealer placards still.

From http://media.gm.com/dld/content/Pages/n ... l-2016.pdf, in the month that 787 Leafs were sold in the US, these GM BRoD were sold in the US.
Escalade: 1,808
Escalade ESV 1,199
Suburban: 4,269
Tahoe: 7,549
Yukon: 3,324
Yukon XL: 2,518

The ESV, Suburban and Yukon XL are extended length versions, so they're even longer and heavier.

That's over 16K units! Then there are BRoDs from other automakers. Disgusting. :(

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Re: 2016 Apr Plugin Sales Discussion : Leaf 787 - Total ?

Sun May 29, 2016 7:39 am

Yeah. BRoD aka Battering Ram of Death to me == full-sized guzzler SUV that weigh over 5000+ lbs and are usually sub-20 mpg combined. Most of them also have terrible accident avoidance capability via terrible handling and brakes.

I just shake my head and am disgusted when I see so many of those running around driven solo and/or w/minimal passengers and cargo.(


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Re: 2016 Apr Plugin Sales Discussion : Leaf 787 - Total ?

Sun May 29, 2016 9:35 am

Flyct wrote:I tried to live without a pickup truck but I just couldn't do it.

Yeah, but in your case you are using the right tool for the job. I don't think anyone is going to give you a hard time about that.

Now, not everyone can afford 3 vehicles, but people tend to buy much larger vehicles than they really need, "just in case". Too many people fall victim to the though that "bigger is better".
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Re: 2016 Apr Plugin Sales Discussion : Leaf 787 - Total ?

Sun May 29, 2016 4:50 pm

In much of the L.A. area, the HOV lanes now move no faster than the regular lanes so it is not that big a difference or consideration any more... I gave it little thought.

cwerdna wrote:I am a bit surprised that per http://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/, Volt sales are still so strong, given that CA green HOV stickers are gone. I guess they're still wanted in general and/or outside CA.
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