powersurge wrote:I think that many of us are too worried at what new "goodies" we will be able to soon buy and are forgetting the dollars and "sense" of the Leaf...
I think the whole car industry has invested ZERO in promoting electric cars up to now. Anybody reading this does not count in the group of drivers because we chose to educate ourselves about the Leaf and other EV cars. Most people I talk to about my Leaf did not even know that there are EVs besides the Tesla. On TV or radio, I have seen ZERO Nissan commercials on how great the Leaf or other EVs are... And also, If you a lucky, a typical Nissan dealer has maybe two in stock. Why? Because the car companies do not want to slit their own throats and indirectly lower the sales of their bread and butter ICE SUVs.. Some folks think that Nissan LOSES money on the Leaf, but no one knows, because Nissan may be "quietly" getting Billions on Tax or political money by producing the nominal number of EVs.
Car companies are quietly offering EVs to customers that see them a cool toys. Others see them as I do, technological marvels. Yes, the prices on used Leafs is low, but a new Leaf can only cost "out of pocket" about $20k. After about 4-5 years, Leafs are selling at around $8-10k. That is depreciation of about 50%, which is about average for any car. I saw a website that says typical depreciation of any car is 63% after 5 years. So the Leaf "out of pocket" depreciation is typical. (Also, to reply to another writer, you DO NOT get a tax credit on a used Leaf, only to the original owner).
Finally, I seem to hear that people are constantly looking for the next cool EV to come out. That is like a person that buys a $1000 LED TV today, and is worried that next year, they will sell an even bigger one for the same price!! Who cares? If you are hot for a Leaf, buy a Leaf, and use it starting today... When higher capacity (not necessarily better) cars come out in the next few years, your current Leaf will still be running, and still be valuable to you. It will take you where you want to go every day you own it for next to nothing. The only negative thing you would have by keeping an old Leaf would be that instead of charging every week, you still have to charge it every day. Trust me folks, from an old car guy--- cars do not change, and they don't get any better in the period of 5-10 years. And you are saving tons of money every time you drive it. I expect to be driving my Leaf (which will be a collectors item as one of the first EVs) in 15-20 years. All it will cost me is a few thousand for the replacement battery every 8-10 years... Cheep... Hey, maybe in 20 years, I will sell my Leaf for $20K and the car will have cost me nothing!!
Your last paragraph pretty much summed it up for us. We are a two EV family now. No more ICE vehicles. (well except for the motorhome) We have a short range smart ED without about 120 usable KM of range although 140 isn't much of a stretch. We RARELY use anywhere close to that except the odd Sunday drive that seems to stretch itself out. Our other vehicle is a new 2016 Leaf SV 30 KW. We thought about weighting fore a longer range EV but, really, when would we use it. It would just cost us extra for more range we rarely need. If we need to go further our province has a pretty good CHADEMO system and lots of level 2 charging. We have friends with a 30 KW leaf and for them 200 KM of range in and around our valley is routinely achievable. Highways are posted at mostly 90 or 100 KMH. Most of the time it is slower. There is no such a thing as straight highway driving in these parts. It is at worst 50 50 city highway. A lot of folks both on and off line told us to get a Bolt or a Tesla 3 or the new ford focus with longer range etc ot the egolf. Thing is, none of those really exist right now or are simply not sold within 500 KMH of us so...they may as well be vapor ware. Besides, the leaf is pretty cheap, and after driving all the competition, (with the exception of the Bolt and the non existent Tesla 3) I prefer the leaf to all of them. Our cars seem to last us about 10 years. Then time for new technology. Besides, I figure the bugs are mostly worked out of a leaf after 6 years of production.
Honestly a 2017 453 smart ED was on the short list but Angela needs four seats this time around for extended family reasons.
2015 Smart Electric Drive convertible.
2016 Nissan Leaf SV 30KWh
EV only Family...well except for the big diesel motorhome.