DaveinOlyWA
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Re: Nissan "Out-of-Warranty" support for battery pack degradation

Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:49 am

NissanClient73 wrote:Correct. I have no written prove that extended warranty covers the battery degradation. Although, I have a prove that the case was opened for “battery replacement under warranty”. It was opened by Nissan. I believe that Nissan should reopen the case and fulfill their original promise to replace the battery.


Why open a case if there is nothing to decide or discuss? If it were that easy, they would have simply ordered a battery, right?

I am guessing they were looking into the discounted exchange program which was active at the time. You did need to ask for that.
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Re: Nissan "Out-of-Warranty" support for battery pack degradation

Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:03 pm

The fact a case was opened means very little. My case was opened but promptly closed. I had to fight through BBB to get the pack replaced.
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-0CB(66.14AHr)@87.5k/54mo (BBB), -1CB(53.92Ahr)@140k/29mo,
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Re: Nissan "Out-of-Warranty" support for battery pack degradation

Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:51 am

When I purchased my 2011 and again when I purchased my 2015 I was required to sign and date Nissan disclosure forms discussing battery deterioration (one document) and range under various conditions (another document). I suspect everyone did (whether they read them or not). My 2011 traveled 71.8 miles during the Phoenix Range Test (Silver 679) when it had 10 capacity bars (2 lost) at 100 km/hr (about 62 mi/hr) with no HVAC use. That is quite close to the 73 miles listed on the window sticker even with significant capacity loss. I also drove it over 100 miles on a charge after the battery was replaced (just so I could say that it is possible) at slow speed.
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Re: Nissan "Out-of-Warranty" support for battery pack degradation

Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:54 am

GerryAZ wrote:When I purchased my 2011 and again when I purchased my 2015 I was required to sign and date Nissan disclosure forms discussing battery deterioration (one document) and range under various conditions (another document). I suspect everyone did (whether they read them or not).

I leased a '13 for 2 years back in July 2013 and I think I still have a folder with that paperwork, not filled out and not signed.

I full well knew what I was getting into since I've been here in mid-2011, knew about the Phoenix capacity loss fiasco and loaned some equipment to surfingslovak for the range test before he flew over to Phoenix. I met at Turbo3's house :) as he lives very near me.

I am pleasantly surprised that the 4/2013+ batteries seem to be holding up better than the crap pre-4/2013 batteries. I had no way of knowing that when I leased the above lease. I believe it wasn't really known either when I bought my used 5/2013 built '13 in July 2015. Back then, I figured I'd be done more capacity bars than am I now. I only lost my 1st bar in Nov 2017 at ~46K miles.
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Re: Nissan "Out-of-Warranty" support for battery pack degradation

Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:41 am

I am pleasantly surprised that the 4/2013+ batteries seem to be holding up better than the crap pre-4/2011 batteries. I had no way of knowing that when I leased the above lease. I believe it wasn't really known either when I bought my used 5/2013 built '13 in July 2015. Back then, I figured I'd be done more capacity bars than am I now. I only lost my 1st bar in Nov 2017 at ~46K miles.


I think it was the Fall of 2015 that the auction listed was posted that gave the first indication here that the early 2013 builds were crap. BTW, I just did my last LeafSpy reading on my "ANA" (named by the NY DMV via license plate) before I turn her in soon, and the numbers are as follows:

SOH = 88.91%

Hx = 85.92

AH = 58.15

I had no idea how lucky I was getting an April build! Only ~12-14% capacity lost over 5 years.
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Re: Nissan "Out-of-Warranty" support for battery pack degradation

Tue Oct 23, 2018 2:19 pm

Mine Came with a 106 Mile Range on the Sticker and Real world use. For the First year it was able to do more than 100 miles before a charge in Real World driving. Now its down to about 30 miles. 9 bars showing. No Heat issues..

I must say its very sad to see the Nissan Shrills try to defend Posters that are sadden about the Range of the 2011 LEAF. To make it 1000% Clear See the window Sticker from my 2011 LEAF attached.. By this reasoning we shoudl be able to expect a Minimum of 96 miles on a charge. and a Max of 110 miles..

And with that Nissan Shoudl be making an offer to help us Early Adopters with a new Traction Pack.. As it was us that gave them all the Real world Data they needed to improve the pack and the newer leafs.

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Re: Nissan "Out-of-Warranty" support for battery pack degradation

Tue Oct 23, 2018 2:35 pm

thew wrote:Mine Came with a 106 Mile Range on the Sticker and Real world use.
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I have no idea where your sticker came from but it's unlikely it came with a sticker claiming 106 mile range.

See https://www.caranddriver.com/news/2011- ... s-released, for example. It clearly lists 73 miles range on a charge. The 106 and 92 numbers are the useless MPGe numbers, NOT range.

I found another copy at http://forum.roadfly.com/threads/131738 ... ow-Sticker, which confirms the same thing.

Did you grab your image from a 30 kWh ('16 SV, '16 SL, '16 "S 30" or '17) Leaf?

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Re: Nissan "Out-of-Warranty" support for battery pack degradation

Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:36 pm

The two links Cwerdna posted match the window sticker for my 2011. As shown, EPA rating of 73 miles per charge. The 2015 was rated at 84 miles (probably due to more aggressive regeneration) on the city driving cycle. My experience is that steady speed range was the same for both cars when new, but the 2015 battery did not deteriorate as fast.
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Re: Nissan "Out-of-Warranty" support for battery pack degradation

Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:26 am

GerryAZ wrote:The two links Cwerdna posted match the window sticker for my 2011. As shown, EPA rating of 73 miles per charge. The 2015 was rated at 84 miles (probably due to more aggressive regeneration) on the city driving cycle. My experience is that steady speed range was the same for both cars when new, but the 2015 battery did not deteriorate as fast.

https://web.archive.org/web/20150330024 ... train.html and https://web.archive.org/web/20160306132 ... 1-1879.pdf has some details about the motor changes made for model year '13.

'13 Leaf would also achieve 84 miles at 100% charge on the EPA test but got bit by the 80/100% averaging rule, so Nissan removed the ability to charging to 80% starting w/US model year 2014.
https://insideevs.com/2013-nissan-leaf- ... ld-system/
https://insideevs.com/2014-nissan-leaf- ... -84-miles/

And one can see the various EPA range ratings of the '11, '13, '14 and '15 Leafs: https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do ... 9&id=34918 of 73, 75, 84 and 84 miles, respectively.

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Re: Nissan "Out-of-Warranty" support for battery pack degradation

Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:54 pm

My 2011leaf up until this last year had no issue at all maintaining its 100 miles range that it always had. Only in this last year has the pack fallen now behind. Still lovein it!.
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