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Re: 2017 MY Nissan LEAF

Mon Nov 14, 2016 6:01 pm

It's because trump won, they likely assume that the bolt will huh Cali and be a compliance car for a long time.

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Re: 2017 MY Nissan LEAF

Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:03 pm

michaelt wrote:I take that to mean that Nissan predicts no competition for almost a year. This is a strong indication that speculation about Bolt--or Tesla 3 or what have you-- being just around the corner should be given little weight.


That will surprise the people who have actually ordered Bolts to be built in the next few weeks.
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Re: 2017 MY Nissan LEAF

Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:56 am

michaelt wrote:I take that to mean that Nissan predicts no competition for almost a year. This is a strong indication that speculation about Bolt--or Tesla 3 or what have you-- being just around the corner should be given little weight.
Huh?

In that case it would no sense for Nissan to wait. Being the first to market with a 200-mile affordable EV will be a big deal. In any case it appears GM will get there first with the Bolt.

What makes sense to me is that Nissan must feel that what they had planned for the Gen II LEAF is not competitive and decided to spend more time improving it rather than launching a car which would fail in the marketplace. They can slow-roll the current LEAF in the meantime.
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Re: 2017 MY Nissan LEAF

Tue Nov 15, 2016 7:32 am

I have not studied business, but looks like Nissan is getting as much mileage as they can on the original Leaf manufacturing structure. It would save money, especially since they do not have any competition at this time.. If they came out with a GREAT Leaf II now, they would be making enemies of all current Leaf owners (who would be mad that they now own older, "obsolete" technology)....

I Think that Nissans is calling the bluff of Chevy and Tesla, because they have not brought the BOLT or Tesla to market, and may not actually deliver as soon as they say...

If I was Nissan, I would be quietly ramping up with the next version Leaf, with equal or better specs than the "soon to be " cars, and then offer the improved Leaf when they are forced to show their cars....

This looks like a game of poker, and Nissan is not going to raise, if the other players have not yet made a bet and put it on the table....

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Re: 2017 MY Nissan LEAF

Tue Nov 15, 2016 1:05 pm

I have not studied business, but looks like Nissan is getting as much mileage as they can on the original Leaf manufacturing structure. It would save money, especially since they do not have any competition at this time..


Not to sound like a broken record, but there are numerous small fixes (charge timer, headlights, steering wheel heater thermostat) they could have made, using the exact same car, that would have made the MY2017 at least worth a look. Instead, they seem to have left all the annoying little flaws untouched. Meh.
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Re: 2017 MY Nissan LEAF

Tue Nov 15, 2016 3:53 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
michaelt wrote:I take that to mean that Nissan predicts no competition for almost a year. This is a strong indication that speculation about Bolt--or Tesla 3 or what have you-- being just around the corner should be given little weight.


That will surprise the people who have actually ordered Bolts to be built in the next few weeks.


True in pockets of the US and Europe, the Bolt will slowly become available. World wide, Nissan still sells plenty of Leafs in areas that will not get competition for almost a year (if not more). So it looks to me like they are milking their current design in those markets, while taking a little extra time on Leaf 2.0. I hope this means that they realized they have to meet or beat the Bolt/Model III with the Leaf 2.0, even if they take a while to get there. A 40kWh / 150-mile Leaf will not cut it in 2018.
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Re: 2017 MY Nissan LEAF

Tue Nov 15, 2016 5:26 pm

RegGuheert wrote:What makes sense to me is that Nissan must feel that what they had planned for the Gen II LEAF is not competitive and decided to spend more time improving it rather than launching a car which would fail in the marketplace. They can slow-roll the current LEAF in the meantime.


This has been my sense as well, although I am still holding out a little hope for some definitive LEAF 2.0 news before the end of the year.

Our lease extension will be up in February 2017 and was hoping to have a good next-generation choice from Nissan to consider by now.

As deficient as it is in some ways, purchasing our 2012 (not a fan of leasing) may still be the best option until all the next gen EVs are widely available in two or three years.

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Re: 2017 MY Nissan LEAF

Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:53 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
michaelt wrote:I take that to mean that Nissan predicts no competition for almost a year. This is a strong indication that speculation about Bolt--or Tesla 3 or what have you-- being just around the corner should be given little weight.


That will surprise the people who have actually ordered Bolts to be built in the next few weeks.


Given the 2-year delay in deliveries of Tesla's model X, there should be hardly any surprise at all.

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Re: 2017 MY Nissan LEAF

Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:35 pm

Given the 2-year delay in deliveries of Tesla's Model X, there should be hardly any surprise at all.


There are Bolt preproduction cars out there being test driven now. Do you really think that in two weeks GM will tell the people with orders for cars to be built this month "Sorry, but we'll build them in a year or two"?
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Re: 2017 MY Nissan LEAF

Wed Nov 16, 2016 11:42 am

I have no knowledge about orders taken for Bolts. If there are such orders, I am sure GM made sure to include a clause about no guarantee as to the time of delivery.

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