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Regulatory Rollback on Vehicle Pollution

Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:52 am

"The Trump administration is expected to begin rolling back stringent federal regulations on vehicle pollution.............. essentially marking a U-turn to efforts to force the American auto industry to produce more electric cars." New York Times 3/6/17

So, what may this mean regarding incentives for manufacturers to produce EVs in the US, and for consumers to purchase them?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/03/us/p ... pe=article
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Re: Regulatory Rollback on Vehicle Pollution

Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:59 am

it just means that the American car industry will fall further behind as other manufactures will take the lead on this and they will have to play catch up again.. like they did in 2000. Honda and Toyota took the lead on that and the prius, to this day (almost), carries market leads on hybrid even though they are not the only or best one out there.

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Re: Regulatory Rollback on Vehicle Pollution

Mon Mar 06, 2017 6:12 pm

DuncanCunningham wrote:it just means that the American car industry will fall further behind as other manufactures will take the lead on this and they will have to play catch up again.. like they did in 2000. Honda and Toyota took the lead on that and the prius, to this day (almost), carries market leads on hybrid even though they are not the only or best one out there.

The above are my opinions, not facts.


Exactly our land yachts aren't wanted by any foreign nation, they simply aren't competitive outside our 300lb bloated shores.

My only hope is that they eliminate the gray market laws, competition afterall forces innovation.

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Re: Regulatory Rollback on Vehicle Pollution

Mon Mar 06, 2017 6:42 pm

Look right under this topic, and see another one on the same subject, started this morning.
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Re: Regulatory Rollback on Vehicle Pollution

Mon Mar 06, 2017 6:45 pm

The other thread is for the 'cool' kids. This one is for the geeks hiding in the boiler room so they don't get beat up.
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Re: Regulatory Rollback on Vehicle Pollution

Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:53 pm

Ironically, neither of these threads are likely to show up in a search for the subsidy ending.
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Re: Regulatory Rollback on Vehicle Pollution

Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:19 pm

Dooglas wrote:... So, what may this mean regarding incentives for manufacturers to produce EVs in the US, and for consumers to purchase them?
Will this promote less hatred of EVs?

LeftieBiker wrote:Ironically, neither of these threads are likely to show up in a search for the subsidy ending.
As it shouldn't since the direct subsidy isn't ending because of this.

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Re: Regulatory Rollback on Vehicle Pollution

Tue Mar 07, 2017 12:08 am

As it shouldn't since the direct subsidy isn't ending because of this.


No, not this week, but it's the beginning of the end. It seems likely to me that you will win our bet but I will prove to be right - just not in the exact time frame I expected. To be fair, I had underestimated Trumps ability to create chaos. ;-(
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Re: Regulatory Rollback on Vehicle Pollution

Tue Mar 07, 2017 12:16 am

A lot of cars are made not only to meet the Federal requirements, but also the California requirements as selling cars to the US market and having special versions for California is a marketing nightmare. So if the Feds roll back the standards, the industry may well still dance to California's fiddle at least to some degree. But yes, that will likely slow progress.

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Re: Regulatory Rollback on Vehicle Pollution

Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:08 am

DarthPuppy wrote:A lot of cars are made not only to meet the Federal requirements, but also the California requirements as selling cars to the US market and having special versions for California is a marketing nightmare. So if the Feds roll back the standards, the industry may well still dance to California's fiddle at least to some degree. But yes, that will likely slow progress.


The Trump Administration is also about to sue to remove the exemption that allows California and the other CARB states to have stricter standards.
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