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Re: Right to Repair - Are repairs on the Leaf very much like on any Nissan ICE vehicle?

Fri Aug 18, 2017 3:08 pm

You'll be paying an extra $5k to get the SL trim if you want adaptive cruise control on the Leaf, as I doubt it will be on the S or SV trims.


IIRC, the ACC is part of the $900 Tech package, available on the both SV and SL. And, of course, for $900, not $5000...
2013 "Brilliant Silver" SV with Premium Package and no QC, and 2009 Vectrix VX-1 with 18 Leaf cells.

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Re: Right to Repair - Are repairs on the Leaf very much like on any Nissan ICE vehicle?

Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:53 pm

Durandal wrote:Resale value is likely to be much higher with the Tesla due to the ability to do over the air upgrades to EAP and FSD. Degradation may not be as much of an issue in Canada as you mentioned. Adaptive cruise control will be an extra $5k as part of EAP, but regular cruise control is there, along with automatic emergency braking, and side collision alerts in the base model. You'll be paying an extra $5k to get the SL trim if you want adaptive cruise control on the Leaf, as I doubt it will be on the S or SV trims.

Another consideration, even if you do not need 220 miles range, over 10-15 years of usage, 15% degradation on a 220 mile range battery (187 remaining) is less impacting than a 15% degradation on a 160 mile battery (136mi remaining.) Although given a larger capacity, it will have less charge/discharge cycles making for less degradation. The warranties on both cars batteries are 8 years, 100,000 miles for the base (120,000 miles for long range Model 3.)

But going back to the first topic, any features you have on your Leaf are set in stone, while Enhanced Autopilot and Full Self Driving can be unlocked on the Model 3 whenever you like, (or whenever they work at a level that you're happy with.) Nissan doesn't seem to show any interest in allowing you to upgrade your Leaf in any way, as exampled by their refusal to put 30kWh packs into 24kWh cars when replacing packs. You must stay with the 24kWh. I'm sure the same will be with their ProPilot technology as well.

Just my thoughts, but in any event, from what I've read online, Canadians won't be able to get the Model 3 until late 2018 at the earliest, anyhow. My wait is until June 2018 for Arkansas.


Yes, for all three configurations, we are all getting Late 2018, and that includes Canadians who are current Tesla vehicle owners.

There was a time two or three years ago where Tesla contemplated on battery swaps but it never happened. Surprised why BEV car makers cannot make the battery modular and easy to access/replace. The battery is one of the biggest concerns for those converting from ICE to BEV. I wasn't too concerned until I figured that I should also be considering the Leaf 2.0 once the 60 kWh battery is offered.

I would really love to get a Tesla because it offers AWD and knowing my daughter who has her "learning" license, I will feel much better having her drive an AWD (along with winter tires of course) because it increases traction even on dry or wet roads but with AWD and PUP (for winter package and sunroof, which the women in my household like), we are already looking at $45k. No way will I pay $9k more for LR unless the ESA (extended warranty) doesn't have a lot of wiggle room for Tesla to shrug off performing warranty work and if it extends warranty on the battery and drive unit significantly since those are a few components no unauthorized independents can work on. So far, from TMC, it doesn't seem Tesla tries to skirt around its ESA responsibilities.

$58k USD (including ESA) over eight years of ownership (in case it crapped out on the 9th) would be a little over $7k/year. There's the $2-3k/year incremental savings not having to use gasoline though and our gasoline prices in Canada are around $3.50/gallon, about 50% more expensive than our neighboring towns in NY.

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Re: Right to Repair - Are repairs on the Leaf very much like on any Nissan ICE vehicle?

Fri Aug 18, 2017 5:27 pm

Toyota is really something. The 2016 RAV4 issues are mostly related to the electronic lift gate/rear door!
https://www.truedelta.com/2016-Toyota-R ... tories-273

2017 barely anyone reported issues:
https://www.truedelta.com/2016-Toyota-R ... tories-273


I checked the 2013-15 Leaf repair history and issues were more varied but most owners only logged in two or three records. I'm guilty of not logging issues with our 11 Accord and 16 RAV4 Hybrid.

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