lilly
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Portable Charge Cable for 2018 LEAF?

Mon Dec 25, 2017 10:27 am

Hi,

I am reserving a 2018 Leaf but I am confused about the options. I googled this forum to try to find info but only found a very technical discussion about the amp draw of the cable itself. Thanks in advance for answering my question;

The 2018 Leaf S is $29,990
Charge package is $1,590 and includes a Quick charge port and a Portable charge cable (120/240V).
Total = $31,580
The S is not available in red.

The 2018 Leaf SV is $32,400
It includes a Quick charge port.
However, the Portable charge cable on the SV is only available with the Technology package, which is $2,200 extra.
Red color = $395
Total = $34,995.
I really like the red SV, but I don't want to pay $3,415 more for the color red. However, if I can skip the $2,200 Technology package and just buy an extension cord at my local hardware store to use as my Portable charge cable, then paying $32,795 for a red SV is acceptable.

Can I just buy an extension cord at my local hardware store (lowes) and use that as my Portable charge cable?

Does all trim levels of the car come with one Portable charge cable? The Portable charge cable option is just an extra cable? I mean, it wouldn't make sense to sell a rechargeable car with no charge cable. Maybe the Portable charge cable option is not necessary? I mean, you could just bring the one charge cable that is included with the car everywhere with you so you don't really need an extra Portable charge cable?

Many thanks and happy holidays!

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Re: Portable Charge Cable for 2018 LEAF?

Mon Dec 25, 2017 11:38 am

If you travel a lot the L3 option is worth it. It will bring the battery up to 80% in a half hour or so. The car also comes with a socket for L1 or L2. L1 is 12A at 120VAC, L2 is up to 30A at 240VAC. If you have the time for overnight than L2 works fine.

Where the fast charging works is if you are waiting for the battery to charge. Then anything that reduces the time is preferred.

My B250E only comes with L1, L2 and it is fine for me. Quick Charge Power makes a 3K L3 adapter for the car but I see no need for it.
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Re: Portable Charge Cable for 2018 LEAF?

Mon Dec 25, 2017 12:35 pm

Please stop starting multiple new topics. Use ONE topic for questions about the 2018 Leaf. All Level 1 (120 volt) charging cables will work with all EVs, so you don't need to spend the extra money for the Tech Package to get one. You can buy a used one for for $100-$400. You can buy a new one for as little as $300.
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Re: Portable Charge Cable for 2018 LEAF?

Mon Dec 25, 2017 5:14 pm

lilly wrote:
Can I just buy an extension cord at my local hardware store (lowes) and use that as my Portable charge cable?


No, the EV "cable" known as an EVSE, is more than an extension cord. It contains circuitry to ensure the vehicle charges at the correct rate, doesn't arc or electrocute you, alerts you to any faults, etc.

You don't have to buy from Nissan. They all use the same standard. Just shop for EVSE.
I noticed you're still working with polymers.

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Re: Portable Charge Cable for 2018 LEAF?

Mon Dec 25, 2017 6:52 pm

lilly: As stated before, all EVs require an EVSE of some kind to charge. Pre-2018 Nissan Leafs all came with an L1 (i.e. 120v) EVSE that was intended to be carried with the car for mainly emergency use (when no other EVSE is available). It was expected that most people would install at their residence an L2 (i.e. 240v) EVSE, although some people have been able to make do with only an L1 (and did so because they found an L2 install either unnecessary or, usually, too expensive for them). An L2 EVSE at a residence is usually mounted in a garage or on an outside wall near where the Leaf can be parked. It can be very expensive if your electrical service needs to be upgraded (from 60a or 100a to 200a, say), and/or your breaker panel needs to be upgraded, and/or running a new power cable to the EVSE is complicated. Note that the NEC electrical standards mandates a maximum cord length for an EVSE of 25 feet. Also note that to use any extension cord to an EVSE (other than on emergencies) is considered very unsafe.

Nissan apparently decided to make the new portable EVSE they provide starting in 2018 capable of L1 or L2 use and therefore much more useful and versatile, but therefore more costly -- so they decided to make it somewhat more optional to buy. Note some people have never felt the need to carry an emergency EVSE in their Leaf because of sufficient public charger infrastructure.

At least if you know you are getting this new EVSE with the Leaf, it makes it easier to just focus on what it takes to install this EVSE at your residence.

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Re: Portable Charge Cable for 2018 LEAF?

Mon Dec 25, 2017 7:16 pm

Nubo wrote:
lilly wrote:
Can I just buy an extension cord at my local hardware store (lowes) and use that as my Portable charge cable?


No, the EV "cable" known as an EVSE, is more than an extension cord. It contains circuitry to ensure the vehicle charges at the correct rate, doesn't arc or electrocute you, alerts you to any faults, etc.

You don't have to buy from Nissan. They all use the same standard. Just shop for EVSE.

Correct.

For more info, the OP can look at these:
http://www.sae.org/smartgrid/chargingprimer.pdf
https://openev.freshdesk.com/support/so ... -sae-j1772 which at the bottom has a pointer to
https://openev.freshdesk.com/helpdesk/a ... 6004101697

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Re: Portable Charge Cable for 2018 LEAF?

Mon Jan 01, 2018 11:54 am

You mean something like this?

https://www.evsolutions.com/turbocord

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Re: Portable Charge Cable for 2018 LEAF?

Mon Jan 01, 2018 2:23 pm

Rxleaf wrote:You mean something like this?

https://www.evsolutions.com/turbocord


If you want L-2 charging capability like the 2018 Nissan EVSE, then yes. She could also look for a used EVSE Upgrade unit with the necessary adapter(s).
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Re: Portable Charge Cable for 2018 LEAF?

Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:36 pm

Since the 2013 Leaf, the portable EVSE that Nissan provides with it apparently has the welcome safety feature of a high temperature monitor in the input plug that causes charging to be halted if it detects excessive heat that could be caused, for example, by an overly loose connection and/or nearby circuit arcing. This seems especially valuable for outlets that are frequently plugged into and therefore may be subject to wear and/or damage.

Is anyone aware of other plug-in EVSEs that have this desirable safety feature?

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Re: Portable Charge Cable for 2018 LEAF?

Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:22 am

I have been trying to get ACCURATE info on the supplied Level 1/2 cable that is standard issue on 2018 Leaf’s as will be sold in Canada. I understand it is optional in the USA.

I had to go through multiple layers and transfers in Nissan’s Help system. It is very frustrating when you know more about their product than the Sales people or the help lines. Sorry for the rant.

Here is what I found out so far. The plug as supplied by Nissan is. 14-50P. When I asked for the charging rate I was told 40 amps. I believe however this is actually the breaker rating not the EVSE output. This is great news for me as it saves about $1000 Cnd on the purchase of an EVSE for my garage. Still have to install the 14-50R on the wall, but was going to that anyway.

I wish there was more info on this, like how it works with the onboard charging timers, if there are any Smarts that work with the car or Nissan Connect etc.

I only have about 6 weeks till my car arrives, hopefully more will be known about this by then. Reporters need to talk about these features of the car rather than moan and moan about not beating the Bolts range.
More ranting, sorry again.

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