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Re: Portable Charge Cable for 2018 LEAF?

Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:41 pm

EVDRIVER wrote:
Evoforce wrote:
EVDRIVER wrote:You don’t want to do that. Bottom line is it has a 30A pilot signal on 240v and the LEAF draws 27a. The unit must be used on a 14-50 and Nissan should never state a dryer, just shows how misinformed they are as usual.


A dryer in the US is 30 amp 240 volts with 10 gauge wire (usually). Yes technically, it should be a charge drawing no more than 24 amp continuous, but (I) would still do it at 27 amp. Apparently you have the blessing of the Nissan on this one.



This is an irresponsible stance for the record, the 24A rating is the continuous load rating of the outlet and the dryer outlets are often old and worn. In addition I can assure you that someone will plug the unit into a car that can draw the full 30A as well. Any adapter from a 50A to a 30A is also a complete hazard as someone will plug a 50A load into one of them at some point. Because Nissan marketing has the wrong wording on the site is no reason to imply this is acceptable or safe. There are so many reasons this is a bad idea and so many instances of history of this that it's really a poor position to suggest this. There are so many instances of people creating hazards making screw on type adapters that fail and using them to do things like this and the last thing we need is endorsing that type of behavior. You can do as you choose of course but please don't suggest this is safe or acceptable because there are large numbers of people that will do this and cobble together an adapter that will fail or use an outlet or device that can't safely handle the inappropriate load.


The circuit is over designed to allow headroom and the 30 amp breaker is the built-in fail-safe. Changing the wall permanent outlet was not suggested on my part. If the EVSE is in fact 27 amps, this is a mere 3 amps over. It is not ideal and generally not recommended but it is very close to parameters.

We are going to leave it because it appears... however, the car manufacturer is instructing to do so.
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Re: Portable Charge Cable for 2018 LEAF?

Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:37 pm

Let's leave it as "It's a code violation that can void a fire insurance claim for the fire that it can also cause."
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Re: Portable Charge Cable for 2018 LEAF?

Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:49 am

Well it is best if the wiring is heavier.
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Re: Portable Charge Cable for 2018 LEAF?

Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:51 am

Evoforce wrote:however, the car manufacturer is instructing to do so.

Where is Nissan telling people to plug a 240 volt 30 amp EVSE with NEMA 14-50 plug which could have up to a 30 amp continuous load into a 30 amp circuit via adapters, in violation of NEC?

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Re: Portable Charge Cable for 2018 LEAF?

Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:56 am

cwerdna wrote:
Evoforce wrote:however, the car manufacturer is instructing to do so.

Where is Nissan telling people to plug a 240 volt 30 amp EVSE with NEMA 14-50 plug into a 30 amp circuit via adapters, in violation of NEC?


I haven't seen it myself, but what I gather from this thread, Nissan somewhere in the instructions is telling people that they can plug their 2018 EVSE into a dryer outlet. Usually, the only way that can be accomplished is with an adapter. Also, since I haven't see the paperwork, I have read in this post that the draw is 27 amps using said 2018 EVSE. If those are the facts, that is what I responded to. And yep, it is 3 amps over the recommended 24 amp continuous load rating. It would be great if the charge cord were adjustable (Tesla) but it sounds like it is not. I personally prefer a dedicated circuit for an EVSE instead of sharing with a dryer.
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Re: Portable Charge Cable for 2018 LEAF?

Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:27 am

Evoforce wrote:
cwerdna wrote:
Evoforce wrote:however, the car manufacturer is instructing to do so.

Where is Nissan telling people to plug a 240 volt 30 amp EVSE with NEMA 14-50 plug into a 30 amp circuit via adapters, in violation of NEC?


I haven't seen it myself, but what I gather from this thread, Nissan somewhere in the instructions is telling people that they can plug their 2018 EVSE into a dryer outlet. Usually, the only way that can be accomplished is with an adapter. Also, since I haven't see the paperwork, I have read in this post that the draw is 27 amps using said 2018 EVSE. If those are the facts, that is what I responded to. And yep, it is 3 amps over the recommended 24 amp continuous load rating. It would be great if the charge cord were adjustable (Tesla) but it sounds like it is not. I personally prefer a dedicated circuit for an EVSE instead of sharing with a dryer.

From the '18 Leaf PDF manual I downloaded while ago from https://owners.nissanusa.com/nowners/na ... nualsGuide, I see this on pages CH-24 and CH-25
• The NISSAN Genuine L1 &L2 EVSE
draws 30 amps continuously while
charging the Li-ion battery with AC
220–240 volt outlet.Do not plug in to
any electrical circuit unless it is inspected
by a qualified electrician to
confirm that the electrical circuit can
accept a 30 amp draw.
...
Only charge using a standard AC 220
- 240 volt, 50A dedicated electrical
outlet (for example, do not use an
electric generator). Failure to do so
maycause charging to fail and could
cause damage to the vehicle or the
EVSE due to power surges.
...
Normal charge (AC 220-240 volt) by L1 &
L2 EVSE is performed using an AC 220 -
240 volt, 50A dedicated electrical outlet
using the L1 & L2 EVSE provided with the
vehicle.

(Sorry about the spacing wonkiness. This is what I get when I copy from Adobe Reader.)
The only occurrences of the dryer in the manual are about using a hair dryer to melt a frozen chart part.

I also posted a picture of the label of the L1/L2 EVSE I saw at a Leaf EVent at viewtopic.php?p=520123#p520123.
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Re: Portable Charge Cable for 2018 LEAF?

Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:32 am

On page three the first poster it looks like pasted a passage from what I interpreted as an instruction manual. Thanks for being helpful an providing information to the thread,
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Re: Portable Charge Cable for 2018 LEAF?

Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:36 am

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Re: Portable Charge Cable for 2018 LEAF?

Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:44 am

cwerdna wrote:
Evoforce wrote:On page three the first poster it looks like pasted a passage from what I interpreted as an instruction manual.

Apparently not, but I found a place that has such a passage:
https://www.nissanusa.com/buildyournissan/vehicle-images/2018/LEF/XGC80NIC161C0/14addf1f2cd129af6038fd495349bb7a/LEAF/SL/Portable-charge-cable-(120-V-240-V)/Performance

Also archived via at https://web.archive.org/web/20180228083537/https://www.nissanusa.com/buildyournissan/vehicle-images/2018/LEF/XGC80NIC161C0/14addf1f2cd129af6038fd495349bb7a/LEAF/SL/Portable-charge-cable-(120-V-240-V)/Performance. (Folks should do their duty by submitting pages to http://archive.org/web/ as I've asked for at viewtopic.php?f=12&t=9553.)


That is very informative and helpful. Thank you!
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Re: Portable Charge Cable for 2018 LEAF?

Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:11 am

Portable charge cable (120 V/240 V)

Plug in for a Level 2 charge at home, no charger box installation required, with the new 240 V cable. Using the same plug as your home dryer, you can charge the all-new Nissan LEAF. Or, in a pinch, plug directly in to a regular electrical outlet for a 120 V trickle charge.


Someone is going to sue them about this eventually when they plug into a low amperage dryer circuit and a fire starts.
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