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Nissan to Start Sale of LEAF Battery Refurbs in Japan

Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:00 am

https://newsroom.nissan-global.com/releases/180326-04-e

About $2,800 for the 24 kWh refurb. 30 and 40 kWh batteries also mentioned
Looking forward to hearing the warranty details, but caveat emptor: the experience with Prius battery refurbs was awful.

This does make we wonder whether Nissan will soon be using refurbs in warranty repairs. Seems likely, and if correct then BAD news for all concerned. The warranty language only obligating Nissan to return battery capacity to 9 bars or better is no longer a theoretical concern.
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Re: Nissan Starts Sale of LEAF Battery Refurbs in Japan

Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:10 am

Also looking forward to details. It says that will start doing this in Japan. I hope this will be offered in the US as well. I think the key to sales of this for them will what the refurb process is, and what the warranty is.

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Re: Nissan to Start Sale of LEAF Battery Refurbs in Japan

Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:55 am

Wow, what good is taking an 8 bar battery and replacing it with a 9... or even 10 bar battery? The labor alone would not be worth the time benefit before you have to replace it again...

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Re: Nissan to Start Sale of LEAF Battery Refurbs in Japan

Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:04 am

powersurge wrote:Wow, what good is taking an 8 bar battery and replacing it with a 9... or even 10 bar battery? The labor alone would not be worth the time benefit before you have to replace it again...

I doubt that will ever be the case,
but I can easily imagine a refurb starting at 11 or 12 bars that is down to 8 bars in a year or two. Enough to reach the end of the 8 yr warranty in some cases. This refurb program gives Nissan the ability to stratify new vs refurb battery replacements on a case by case basis. People who are approaching their 8 year or 100k mile limit would rationally (from Nissan's POV, naturally) receive a refurb rather than a new battery.

My mention of the 9 bar warranty in the OP was not meant to suggest that Nissan will be using 9 bar batteries, but that owners may well be looking at battery replacements that reach 9 bars in much shorter times than they experienced with the new car battery. It was a poor shorthand to say: the days when a battery replacement under warranty meant a new battery may be drawing to a close. I consider this possibility close to a certainty, but I have a very dim view of Nissan.

This entire story also makes me wonder if the (past labeled ?) AESC factory is done producing legacy batteries period, or at least for Nissan.

And as for Nissan's spin on the refurb program, that it will increase used LEAF values ? LOL
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Re: Nissan to Start Sale of LEAF Battery Refurbs in Japan

Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:57 am

Forgetting about new/used/warranty/etc, the significant question here is: does this mean Nissan will put a larger capacity referb battery into a Gen 1 Leaf? In other words, will we finally be able to put a 40 kWh pack into (what was) a 24 kWh Leaf (even if it is used)?
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Re: Nissan to Start Sale of LEAF Battery Refurbs in Japan

Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:23 pm

I wouldn't consider it acceptable to have less than 12 bars on a refurb battery. I would expect the SOH to be at least 90%.

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Re: Nissan to Start Sale of LEAF Battery Refurbs in Japan

Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:51 pm

jake14mw wrote:I wouldn't consider it acceptable to have less than 12 bars on a refurb battery. I would expect the SOH to be at least 90%.



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Re: Nissan to Start Sale of LEAF Battery Refurbs in Japan

Mon Mar 26, 2018 1:12 pm

jake14mw wrote:I wouldn't consider it acceptable to have less than 12 bars on a refurb battery. I would expect the SOH to be at least 90%.

As if that means something.
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Re: Nissan to Start Sale of LEAF Battery Refurbs in Japan

Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:03 pm

SageBrush wrote:https://newsroom.nissan-global.com/releases/180326-04-e

About $2,800 for the 24 kWh refurb. 30 and 40 kWh batteries also mentioned
Looking forward to hearing the warranty details, but caveat emptor: the experience with Prius battery refurbs was awful.

This does make we wonder whether Nissan will soon be using refurbs in warranty repairs. Seems likely, and if correct then BAD news for all concerned. The warranty language only obligating Nissan to return battery capacity to 9 bars or better is no longer a theoretical concern.


I read that as a remanufactured pack with 100% new cells but old controller, old wiring, old pack case and such.

So that you get 2018 cell tech in the 2011/2012 pack

But looking at the press release it doesn't specify new vs used cells so I guess we'll have to wait for someone to buy one and test it.

There's no way I'd pay over $2,000 for a pack that has anything under 21 kWh usable (vs the 21.4 for a new 24 kWh pack) which would be 98% SOH on leafspy. Knowing I'm going to lose range month after month.

Which means I wouldn't pay more than $2,500 for a remanufactured 30 kWh pack and I wouldn't pay more than $3,500 for a remanufactured 40 kWh pack.

Raw cells should be under $100 a kWh and they get half that back when they get my used cells. So for that price I'm expecting something noticeably better than what I'm giving up even after a hot summer.
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Re: Nissan to Start Sale of LEAF Battery Refurbs in Japan

Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:18 pm

SageBrush wrote:
jake14mw wrote:I wouldn't consider it acceptable to have less than 12 bars on a refurb battery. I would expect the SOH to be at least 90%.

As if that means something.


It means exactly what many other posts mean on message boards, one person's opinion about a particular subject.

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