alozzy
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Re: Installing diesel parking heater in Leaf's trunk

Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:51 pm

Was thinking outside the box and figured I'd share my thoughts on a possible heater option...

I wonder if a tankless, indoor, propane water heater could be used, along with radiant heating mats:

https://www.amazon.ca/MountainNet-Digit ... er+propane

I'm thinking the tankless heater could be vented through the floor of the trunk space...
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Re: Installing diesel parking heater in Leaf's trunk

Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:53 pm

If you want to go to that much trouble you could use that water heater, and look for a fan/radiator unit so you get real heat inside the cabin.
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PaulSp
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Re: Installing diesel parking heater in Leaf's trunk

Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:01 am

I wonder if your propane heater is cost efficient. My diesel heater set me back 140 euros or 160 usd.
A broken ptc heater could set you pack a couple of thousands!

There are liquid diesel heaters, they are to be set up in line with the normal water circuit. If you're looking for a more discrete installation that is the way!

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Re: Installing diesel parking heater in Leaf's trunk

Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:22 am

alozzy wrote:Was thinking outside the box and figured I'd share my thoughts on a possible heater option...

I wonder if a tankless, indoor, propane water heater could be used, along with radiant heating mats:

https://www.amazon.ca/MountainNet-Digit ... er+propane

I'm thinking the tankless heater could be vented through the floor of the trunk space...


My tank less water heater I installed in my rental house cuts off if the inlet temperature goes above 90F.

The Eberspacher hydronic heater is exactly what you need and it is a lot smaller than any tankless heater I have seen.
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Re: Installing diesel parking heater in Leaf's trunk

Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:26 am

PaulSp wrote:Do you have a diesel hester fitted Oilpan?

I have not even bought it yet.
My hope is that they go on sale when it warms up. Plus I have been so busy with work I doubt I will have time to install it before spring.
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alozzy
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Re: Installing diesel parking heater in Leaf's trunk

Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:29 am

Oilpan4 wrote:The Eberspacher hydronic heater is exactly what you need and it is a lot smaller than any tankless heater I have seen.


Looks like a good product, but too pricey for me.
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Re: Installing diesel parking heater in Leaf's trunk

Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:53 am

Sooooo i used about 1 liter per 300km.
Aka 1 gallon for 700 miles. And used during freezing temps and including preheat (by the diesel heater)

Quite satisfied. As i dont have to fill it on a regular basis

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Re: Installing diesel parking heater in Leaf's trunk

Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:20 pm

Excellent...
I was figuring 300 miles to a gallon, unrealistic, worst case scenario.
I was expecting at least 500 miles to the gallon.

But 700 miles to the gallon!
I would only have to refill a 1L tank roughly once a week.
Where I am it will get cold for 2 or 3 weeks then warm up to where it's bearable for a week or so. Then back to being cold again.
So probably use 1 gallon per month or less.

My tractor uses diesel fuel so already have it on hand.
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Re: Installing diesel parking heater in Leaf's trunk

Sun Feb 03, 2019 1:44 am

Keep in mind i have the 2kw version not the 5kw. The 5kw will use more.

I also calculated it is actually cheaper to heat the car with diesel thsn with electricity.

I use about 1kwh per 40km.
So per 300km ~7.5 kwh.

7.5kwh at 23 eurocent cost me 1.7 euro
A liter of diesel is about 1.30 euro.

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Re: Installing diesel parking heater in Leaf's trunk

Sun Feb 03, 2019 2:33 am

PaulSp wrote:Keep in mind i have the 2kw version not the 5kw. The 5kw will use more.

I also calculated it is actually cheaper to heat the car with diesel thsn with electricity.

I use about 1kwh per 40km.
So per 300km ~7.5 kwh.

7.5kwh at 23 eurocent cost me 1.7 euro
A liter of diesel is about 1.30 euro.


This is correct.
Exception is solar energy. But that is hardly available in winter.
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