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Re: We need a portable 240v EVSE

Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:39 pm

Have you actually found any EVSE units for sale witout installation?
If so, what maker, model, and price, please.
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Re: We need a portable 240v EVSE

Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:41 pm

fumer wrote:I also own a German 220 VAC lawnmower! Lighter and more powerful than domestic 120 VAC 1.44 KW versions.


It just seems like it's more powerful because it runs faster! (60Hz vs. 50Hz joke) ;)
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2015 pack under warranty 12/30/15.
Tinted windows.
Michelin MXV4 tires.
L1 EVSE upgrade.
FIAMM horns.
Superbright LED lighting.
2013 sun visors.
LED shifter.
Heated seats.
GT-R map lamp lenses.
AV L2 EVSE.

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Re: We need a portable 240v EVSE

Tue Jun 29, 2010 4:21 pm

fumer wrote:So my plan is to buy a Coulomb or some other competing Level 2 charger, mount it in a wheeled suitcase and make myself a handful of cord-end adaptors.

A wheeled suitcase?? How heavy do you think an EVSE is, anyway? It's not a charger, just a handful of electronic components. You could probably use it as a frisbee!

The charger built into your Leaf handles both Level 1 and Level 2. The EVSE is just a switched safety mechanism for communicating with the Leaf and transmitting power to it.
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Re: We need a portable 240v EVSE

Tue Jun 29, 2010 11:17 pm

I assumed what eTec wants my $100 to come give me an estimate to provide was indeed a charger, 240 VAC to whatever DC. If that's not the case then $2,000 + is a lot for a fuse box. I just learned from my Nissan dealer that: "at this time Nissan will not deliver a leaf to anyone that does not have a charger installed by AeroVironment". Hmmmm. I'm a bit disinclined to pay $100 for an estimate when I hanen't even driven the car yet! I have been in touch with someone at Coloumb though I havn't checked on their prices. And again, if it's not a charger but rather some proprietary Nissan communications device, then well, it damn well oughta come with the car, and I'll get my own (DIY) electrician.

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Re: We need a portable 240v EVSE

Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:30 am

fumer wrote:I assumed what eTec wants my $100 to come give me an estimate to provide was indeed a charger, 240 VAC to whatever DC. If that's not the case then $2,000 + is a lot for a fuse box. I just learned from my Nissan dealer that: "at this time Nissan will not deliver a leaf to anyone that does not have a charger installed by AeroVironment". Hmmmm. I'm a bit disinclined to pay $100 for an estimate when I hanen't even driven the car yet! I have been in touch with someone at Coloumb though I havn't checked on their prices. And again, if it's not a charger but rather some proprietary Nissan communications device, then well, it damn well oughta come with the car, and I'll get my own (DIY) electrician.



It's not proprietary it is a standard and they will certainly sell you a car without getting one from AV, they are out to make money not lose sales. Nissan is playing politics so they don't step on the partnerships they made. Imagine if there was a competing EVSE company selling then for $700 and you have it installed and permitted, do you really think Nissan is going to tell you it needs to be replaced or that the Leaf can't be charged at any other charging station, etc. This is all very funny and in a while it will all be a non-issue.

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Re: We need a portable 240v EVSE

Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:36 am

fumer wrote:I have been in touch with someone at Coloumb though I havn't checked on their prices.


Do check - we are all eager to find out.
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Re: We need a portable 240v EVSE

Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:06 pm

fumer wrote:I assumed what eTec wants my $100 to come give me an estimate to provide was indeed a charger, 240 VAC to whatever DC.

No, the DC charging port on the Leaf is only intended to be for public "quick charge" stations - 80% charge in under 30 minutes. These have 5-figure prices, and are not expected to be available for use at home. (It looks like one or more companies may challenge Nissan's "intention", but that is another story.)

fumer wrote:If that's not the case then $2,000 + is a lot for a fuse box.

$2200 is just Nissan's guess as to the average cost. The quote you get could be be considerably less or considerably more. Most of it is not for the EVSE box. It includes having an electrician install cable from your breaker box to wherever you want to have the EVSE mounted. It might include an upgrade to your breaker box or even to your service from the electric utility. It probably includes three trips to your home by a licensed electrician, and it certainly includes permits from the city, preparing a formal estimate, and paperwork for AeroVironment and Nissan.

fumer wrote:I just learned from my Nissan dealer that: "at this time Nissan will not deliver a leaf to anyone that does not have a charger installed by AeroVironment".

Like EVDRIVER, I believe this is just FUD. Personally, I intend to charge my Leaf only from 120v, and Nissan has confirmed several times that this is allowed, though not "recommended".

fumer wrote:I'm a bit disinclined to pay $100 for an estimate when I haven't even driven the car yet!

Look at it this way. If you intend to get some electric car any time in the near future, and you want to be able to charge it any faster than, say, about four or five miles of range per hour of charging time, then you are going to want 240v charging. Now that there is a standard, all of the manufacturers are moving to it. The EVSE you get from AeroVironment will work for nearly any electric vehicle you decide to buy, and they are all going to require an EVSE for 240v charging.
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Re: We need a portable 240v EVSE

Fri Jul 09, 2010 10:12 am

I find this whole 'proprietary ~$2,200 installed, must be hardwired' thing ridiculous. Tesla has their 18' Universal Mobil Connector with a standard dryer outlet plug. 6 hours for twice the distance a fully charged Leaf will go. No hard wiring necessary. Their $1500 price is ridiculous though. Several have already shown that the actual cost would be less than half that.

I understand they don't want some yahoo sticking an open dryer receptacle on the side of their house but if it is indoors?? In my estimation, Nissan has already failed with their 'open to the elements' on the nose dual charging ports design. The last thing I want is to leave the flap open in the ice and snow while the car charges. Not that Tesla is any better other than not breaking the air flow over the nose with a hinged flap.
What is wrong with a connection that can close over the plug???

Maybe I am lucky that there won't be any Leaf sales in Vermont for some long time. Perhaps they will develop a 'faster than trickle' charging system that you just plug into a proper outlet like Tesla's but at a reasonable cost. The amount we normally drive in a day wouldn't come close to draining the battery. a few hours at 240V would do fine. Shouldn't cost > $2K for that. I even have an unused 240V circuit in my box - electric water heater replaced with a tank off the oil burning furnace.
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Re: We need a portable 240v EVSE

Fri Jul 09, 2010 10:31 am

A dual-voltage (100v to 250v), portable, plug-in, use-anywhere EVSE that can be set to maximum currents from 12a to 50a, with some plug-in adapters would seem most useful, not very expensive, not REQUIRE any installation, and make maximum use of the ALREADY EXISTING e-fuel distribution infrastructure.

Basically, it seems to me, ideal for EV owners, in spite of other special interests saying it cannot be permitted.

I suggest: Wake up, look at the real facts (worldwide), and demand better than what we are being offered.
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2010 Prius, 2014 silver Tesla S
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Re: We need a portable 240v EVSE

Sun Jan 02, 2011 6:32 pm

OBGYN's that earn over 1/4 million a yr will pay about 1/2 that amount for their malpractice ins. Ya gotta pay a LOT to insure products, too ... then pass it on to the customers.

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