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Some talk of a NIssan Electric SUV

Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:59 pm

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Re: Some talk of a NIssan Electric SUV

Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:25 pm

From the article, it sounds like it will be about $45k and very competitve in terms of quality vs. a Lexus RX, which runs $43k-$50k. Less the $10k tax credit and California rebate, and you get a Lexus RX competitor for $35k, but it is an EV which is a huge plus in many regards except long distance road trips.

For how most people typically use the CUV and SUV, i.e., as a city commuter, this should sell well. However, for those wanting the CUV or SUV for the large cargo capacity for their luggage/camping gear, etc. for their long vacation road trips; maybe not so well.

But I've seen a lot of postings here suggesting that people really want CUV and SUV - e.g., why Ford is dropping cars to focus on that segment. So getting an EV one out there can be a huge step forward. That could help Nissan re-establish itself as an EV leader - though they have likely permanently ceded the top spot to Tesla. As the article noted, having only 1 model in play doesn't really look like a leader. But if they have 2 models that each clear 10k units a year in the US, that should keep them in the top 5 for a few more years.
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Re: Some talk of a NIssan Electric SUV

Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:52 pm

DarthPuppy wrote:But I've seen a lot of postings here suggesting that people really want CUV and SUV - e.g., why Ford is dropping cars to focus on that segment.

It's not just "suggesting", it's what's going on in the US auto market.

See http://www.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_30 ... sales.html (unfortunately, updates stopped due to GM no longer providing monthly sales numbers).

Look a Rogue sales vs. their cars: http://nissannews.com/en-US/nissan/usa/ ... -u-s-sales.

Sort by month column or YTD: http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2018/10/se ... le-ranked/.

It used to always be the Ford F-series truck being the best selling auto and the Silverado would be up there. The best selling cars usually tended to the Accord and Camry (Camcord). Altima would sometimes make it up there. There would usually be no import brand vehicles above Camcord, but now the Rogue and Rav4's up there.

Here are some previous years for the WSJ report:
https://web.archive.org/web/20180105232 ... sales.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20170107043 ... sales.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20160109013 ... sales.html

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Re: Some talk of a NIssan Electric SUV

Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:07 pm

As I've written before, though, I think that CUVs should not be lumped in with SUVs as big gas guzzlers, because they are essentially station wagons disguised as SUVs. How do things look when CUVs and cars are added together, instead of the former being subtracted from the latter? I think that what most EV buyers really want is, first, AWD, and second, lots of useful cargo space rather than a high, heavy vehicle.
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Re: Some talk of a NIssan Electric SUV

Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:30 am

I am interested if it is AWD, has good ergonomics, has readable instrumentation, and is available WITHOUT automatic emergency braking (AEB).
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Re: Some talk of a NIssan Electric SUV

Mon Oct 08, 2018 6:48 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:I think that what most EV buyers really want is, first, AWD, and second, lots of useful cargo space rather than a high, heavy vehicle.


Actually aside from certain areas with lots of snowfall, AWD is NOT the primary reason for US buyers wanting an SUV. In fact there's at least one new model (Nissan Kicks) in which AWD is NOT even an option. And as traction control and tire technology improve, the number of people who want (much less need) AWD will diminish.

Subarus sell well, but because Subaru doesn't offer a 2WD vehicle in the US other than the BR-Z, we really don't know how many of those buyers really want AWD.

As far as useful cargo space, most CUV's aren't all that much better than a hatchback of similar outside dimensions. That's because many of them share the same platforms as cars. And they don't compare to minivans.

The factors that lead to high SUV/CUV sales in the US IMHO is due to:

1. Easier ingress/egress due to the greater ride height. Some SUV's/CUV's offer a bit more headroom since it's easier to conceal the inherent tall look in SUV styling without looking ridiculously top heavy (think Mitsubishi Mirage).
2. The appearance of an "outdoorsy" lifestyle which is trendy at the moment.
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Re: Some talk of a NIssan Electric SUV

Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:49 pm

RonDawg wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:I think that what most EV buyers really want is, first, AWD, and second, lots of useful cargo space rather than a high, heavy vehicle.


Actually aside from certain areas with lots of snowfall, AWD is NOT the primary reason for US buyers wanting an SUV. In fact there's at least one new model (Nissan Kicks) in which AWD is NOT even an option. And as traction control and tire technology improve, the number of people who want (much less need) AWD will diminish. (...)


I wasn't clear enough, and you misinterpreted what I wrote. I mean that "Most people who are actually going to buy an EV, and who want an electric SUV or CUV, want available AWD and more cargo room more than they want a much larger vehicle with a lot of ground clearance." Electric vehicles with AWD and more cargo space should, at least at first, be targeted towards people who are actually willing to buy or lease an EV. That is what Tesla and Hyundai/Kia are doing, and what Mitsubishi is doing in the PHEV market. As for AWD being unnecessary, when you exclude people in "certain areas with lots of snowfall" you exclude a LOT of people. Virginia would do fine with advanced traction control, unless their Winters worsen. Pennsylvania and those states North of them, not so much.
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Re: Some talk of a NIssan Electric SUV

Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:19 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
RonDawg wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:I think that what most EV buyers really want is, first, AWD, and second, lots of useful cargo space rather than a high, heavy vehicle.


Actually aside from certain areas with lots of snowfall, AWD is NOT the primary reason for US buyers wanting an SUV. In fact there's at least one new model (Nissan Kicks) in which AWD is NOT even an option. And as traction control and tire technology improve, the number of people who want (much less need) AWD will diminish. (...)


I wasn't clear enough, and you misinterpreted what I wrote. I mean that "Most people who are actually going to buy an EV, and who want an electric SUV or CUV, want available AWD and more cargo room more than they want a much larger vehicle with a lot of ground clearance." Electric vehicles with AWD and more cargo space should, at least at first, be targeted towards people who are actually willing to buy or lease an EV. That is what Tesla and Hyundai/Kia are doing, and what Mitsubishi is doing in the PHEV market. As for AWD being unnecessary, when you exclude people in "certain areas with lots of snowfall" you exclude a LOT of people. Virginia would do fine with advanced traction control, unless their Winters worsen. Pennsylvania and those states North of them, not so much.


While Tesla does have an AWD SUV, and the new Audi e-Tron will as well, the Hyundai Kona EV is not available with AWD unlike the ICE version. Just like with the ICE version, AWD adds weight, and weight cuts into range. That's OK if you have a gigantic battery (Model X) or a backup engine (Outlander), but not in a moderately priced EV when you're trying to keep up with the Bolt.

As far as excluding a lot of people, folks in northern Europe and Russia get by just fine on 2WD, some of them even RWD like older Volvos, most BMW's and Mercedes, and for the eastern part of Europe the Lada. Heck, you're driving a Leaf in upstate New York.
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Re: Some talk of a NIssan Electric SUV

Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:48 pm

I don't need AWD, but want it in an electric CUV or SUV for balanced regenerative braking. The weight penalty for AWD in electric vehicle is minimal.
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Re: Some talk of a NIssan Electric SUV

Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:39 am

I would love to get an electric SUV for going snowboarding in the mountains. But, that is 80-115 miles one way in the cold when batteries don't do generally do that well. I already know that Tesla has a supercharger station up there so with a Tesla I wouldn't have to worry about getting back. With a 300 mile range I probably wouldn't worry about it. With a 220 mile range I would be a little nervous.

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