Newporttom
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https://cleantechnica.com/2018/10/07/scoop-nissan-electric-suv-price-target-45000/
First I've heard of this.....
First I've heard of this.....
It's not just "suggesting", it's what's going on in the US auto market.DarthPuppy said:But I've seen a lot of postings here suggesting that people really want CUV and SUV - e.g., why Ford is dropping cars to focus on that segment.
LeftieBiker said:I think that what most EV buyers really want is, first, AWD, and second, lots of useful cargo space rather than a high, heavy vehicle.
RonDawg said:LeftieBiker said:I think that what most EV buyers really want is, first, AWD, and second, lots of useful cargo space rather than a high, heavy vehicle.
Actually aside from certain areas with lots of snowfall, AWD is NOT the primary reason for US buyers wanting an SUV. In fact there's at least one new model (Nissan Kicks) in which AWD is NOT even an option. And as traction control and tire technology improve, the number of people who want (much less need) AWD will diminish. (...)
LeftieBiker said:RonDawg said:LeftieBiker said:I think that what most EV buyers really want is, first, AWD, and second, lots of useful cargo space rather than a high, heavy vehicle.
Actually aside from certain areas with lots of snowfall, AWD is NOT the primary reason for US buyers wanting an SUV. In fact there's at least one new model (Nissan Kicks) in which AWD is NOT even an option. And as traction control and tire technology improve, the number of people who want (much less need) AWD will diminish. (...)
I wasn't clear enough, and you misinterpreted what I wrote. I mean that "Most people who are actually going to buy an EV, and who want an electric SUV or CUV, want available AWD and more cargo room more than they want a much larger vehicle with a lot of ground clearance." Electric vehicles with AWD and more cargo space should, at least at first, be targeted towards people who are actually willing to buy or lease an EV. That is what Tesla and Hyundai/Kia are doing, and what Mitsubishi is doing in the PHEV market. As for AWD being unnecessary, when you exclude people in "certain areas with lots of snowfall" you exclude a LOT of people. Virginia would do fine with advanced traction control, unless their Winters worsen. Pennsylvania and those states North of them, not so much.
RonDawg said:As far as excluding a lot of people, folks in northern Europe and Russia get by just fine on 2WD, some of them even RWD like older Volvos, most BMW's and Mercedes, and for the eastern part of Europe the Lada. Heck, you're driving a Leaf in upstate New York.
powersurge said:Electric SUV is ridiculous.... Its like saying we need Vegan Sumo Wrestlers.... Yeah right we really need EVs to go off-roading and go on ski trips... That sounds like a 20 year old talking..
What the US NEEDS, and the car have never addressed is... The EV minivan... you can easily hide tons of batteries in the floor panels, and the minivan is what makes American families move daily. They are driven by women (yes, women... ) who stay close to home for many local trips daily. That would be a winner..
Powersurge is right about the unaddressed market in the US. Unfortunately, minivans in the US have been a dying segment for over a decade.GetOffYourGas said:powersurge said:What the US NEEDS, and the car have never addressed is... The EV minivan... you can easily hide tons of batteries in the floor panels, and the minivan is what makes American families move daily. They are driven by women (yes, women... ) who stay close to home for many local trips daily. That would be a winner..
We need EVs that people will buy. And people buy SUVs / CUVs in droves. Minivans are still around, but are rather unpopular. Even at my kids' school during a parents events. Today's soccer mom drives an SUV, not a minivan.
LeftieBiker said:Both of those attributes are found in the Leaf, so I doubt that the higher ride height is driving the demand for an electric SUV or CUV.
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