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Re: 250,000 All Electric miles on my Nissan LEAFs

Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:30 pm

Haranguing an EV driver for driving too many miles in their zero (tailpipe) emission car seems a bit extreme, given the general state of environmental consciousness in the US.
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Re: 250,000 All Electric miles on my Nissan LEAFs

Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:24 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:Haranguing an EV driver for driving too many miles in their zero (tailpipe) emission car seems a bit extreme, given the general state of environmental consciousness in the US.


I would agree. Bad mouthing someone who has done much to further ev use is bad karma.
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Re: 250,000 All Electric miles on my Nissan LEAFs

Sat Dec 01, 2018 2:34 am

how is suggesting reducing usage " bad mouthing" making big car batteries and then disposing of them because they were used to death is not environmentally friendly either.

cars are not some great invention. millions of people have died in them, and countless years of wasted time are spent in them. technological advancements have not brought people together they have allowed urban sprawl and 8 lane freeways contributing to climate change.


the notion that it is social acceptable to drive a lot Is not a good one. doenst' matter if the vechicle is gas or electric. I will always sjuggest reducing your millage is the best solution, the future is mass or shared transport. why have a $20,000 car which is used only a small percentage of the day and sit unused the rest of the time? very inefficient.

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Re: 250,000 All Electric miles on my Nissan LEAFs

Sat Dec 01, 2018 3:46 am

The question, especially in the West, is not "Cars or no cars?" It is "Cars that pollute a lot, or cars that pollute a lot less?" Imagine a vegan who decides to shame another vegetarian for eating a snickers bar, instead of the forty people in the McDonald's next door eating McRibs and throwing the wrappers on the sidewalk. Or, to put it another way, the guy driving all over Washington State in his Leaf is advertising EVs, which at least partially compensates for the extra miles driven.
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Re: 250,000 All Electric miles on my Nissan LEAFs

Sat Dec 01, 2018 3:59 am

Without knowing what the OP’s actual job is, we can’t assume that he can simply “log in” and do his work. There are a lot of jobs that can’t be done over the internet, particularly in the blue collar sector.
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Re: 250,000 All Electric miles on my Nissan LEAFs

Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:57 am

aluminumwelder wrote:how is suggesting reducing usage " bad mouthing" making big car batteries and then disposing of them because they were used to death is not environmentally friendly either.

cars are not some great invention. millions of people have died in them, and countless years of wasted time are spent in them. technological advancements have not brought people together they have allowed urban sprawl and 8 lane freeways contributing to climate change.


the notion that it is social acceptable to drive a lot Is not a good one. doenst' matter if the vechicle is gas or electric. I will always sjuggest reducing your millage is the best solution, the future is mass or shared transport. why have a $20,000 car which is used only a small percentage of the day and sit unused the rest of the time? very inefficient.


He does not drive a lot just to drive. He has so many miles because he has a long commute.
So in your line of thinking "to save the environment" he should move so he would be closer to his job?
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Re: 250,000 All Electric miles on my Nissan LEAFs

Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:21 am

Lets be real. Moving is an option that is available.... to nearly NO ONE!

What would be a commute reduction for one would be a commute increase for the other. Changing jobs? Again, not a viable option for most. Unlike me (who changes jobs every 6-8 years and have done so MY ENTIRE life, most simply do not wish to accept the stress job changes entail.

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Re: 250,000 All Electric miles on my Nissan LEAFs

Sat Dec 01, 2018 11:23 am

So in your line of thinking "to save the environment" he should move so he would be closer to his job?


WOW WHAT A CRAZY LIBERAL IDEA THAT WOULD BE. WHO WOULD NOT WANT TO BE CLOSER TO THEIR JOB AND COMMUNITE LESS. COMMON SENSE! SEEMS LIKE A RHETORICAL QUESTIONS, BUT THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT prefer to waste time commuting. Normalizing this wastefull mindset is the first step towards saying NO to excess and saying Yes to reducing.

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Re: 250,000 All Electric miles on my Nissan LEAFs

Sat Dec 01, 2018 11:25 am

Lets be real. Moving is an option that is available.... to nearly NO ONE!



Let's be real, people move all the time for a new job. If you dont' want to move that is your decision, but don't play the old everyone is doing it peer pressure illogical nonsense card. I can sense a fallacy a mile away.

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Re: 250,000 All Electric miles on my Nissan LEAFs

Sat Dec 01, 2018 11:29 am

Haranguing an EV driver for driving too many miles in their zero (tailpipe) emission car seems a bit extreme, given the general state of environmental consciousness in the US.


You cannot be a serious environmentalist and support excessive commuting. Remember the 3 R's, REDUCE, reuse, recycle. the first one is Reduce, NOT SUPERSIZE MY COMMUTE.

Excessive commutes are not to be lauded.
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