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Re: 250,000 All Electric miles on my Nissan LEAFs

Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:46 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:OTOH, the best environmental choice to make - one that has a vastly larger benefit than everything mentioned so far - is to choose to not have children. <snip>

Agreed. I was somewhere in my teens when I made that decision, and having seen the world's human population increase by more than 150% in my lifetime and knowing that it will more than triple before I'm likely to shuffle off my mortal coil and become an ex-human (and the number finally stabilizes before starting to reduce), I've never regretted it. Or maybe, I'll just be pining for the Fjords. :lol:
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Re: 250,000 All Electric miles on my Nissan LEAFs

Sun Dec 02, 2018 7:01 pm

I've found that being an Uncle (to younger kids - the older ones just want stuff) fulfills whatever paternal instincts I have. That and there are a couple of cats who think of me as their Dad. Actually, one thinks I'm his Mom, but he's a little slow...
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Re: 250,000 All Electric miles on my Nissan LEAFs

Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:43 pm

I must say having been in college during the Zero Population movement, I am simply amazed at how many of my friend’s kids are having three and four children. I have to keep my lips firmly pressed together each time I hear of another family addition. I fear I have become an old fogey.

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Re: 250,000 All Electric miles on my Nissan LEAFs

Mon Dec 03, 2018 4:19 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:I've found that being an Uncle (to younger kids - the older ones just want stuff) fulfills whatever paternal instincts I have. That and there are a couple of cats who think of me as their Dad. Actually, one thinks I'm his Mom, but he's a little slow...

Being a scoutmaster for a dozen years satisfied whatever lingering paternal interest I might have had (very little, if any). : Cats are easy: "Pet me. Feed Me. Let me in/out. Leave me alone." :lol:
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Re: 250,000 All Electric miles on my Nissan LEAFs

Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:08 pm

Cats who never grew up want your lap, your attention, to be washed by you...big babies, they are.
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Re: 250,000 All Electric miles on my Nissan LEAFs

Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:23 am

Also zero interest in children and a somewhat obsessive cat dad.

Of course, we do need children to prop up social security payments to us in our dotage, but that's really the only interest I have in them.
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Re: 250,000 All Electric miles on my Nissan LEAFs

Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:06 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:Cats who never grew up want your lap, your attention, to be washed by you...big babies, they are.

With the huge advantage that there's no diaper changing, or needing to be walked to take care of business. And they clean up after themselves when done, these last two being their major advantage over dogs IMO. Compared to that, the occasional hairball, ripped/shredded furniture or 'gift' bird/mouse/lizard carcass is small potatoes. However, as the internet isn't exactly short of cat discussions/photos/videos, we should probably stop now. :lol:
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Re: 250,000 All Electric miles on my Nissan LEAFs

Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:11 pm

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LeftieBiker wrote:Cats who never grew up want your lap, your attention, to be washed by you...big babies, they are.

With the huge advantage that there's no diaper changing, or needing to be walked to take care of business. And they clean up after themselves when done, these last two being their major advantage over dogs IMO. Compared to that, the occasional hairball, ripped/shredded furniture or 'gift' bird/mouse/lizard carcass is small potatoes. However, as the internet isn't exactly short of cat discussions/photos/videos, we should probably stop now. :lol:



Dogs are way better. But this thread is way off topic.
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Re: 250,000 All Electric miles on my Nissan LEAFs

Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:28 pm

ignoring the cats and dogs, this is a truly inspiring story. thanks SF.
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Re: 250,000 All Electric miles on my Nissan LEAFs

Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:46 am

LeftieBiker wrote:OTOH, the best environmental choice to make - one that has a vastly larger benefit than everything mentioned so far - is to choose to not have children. As I sit here in my gizmo-laden old house, with my $38k EV parked outside, heating with resistance heat to reduce fuel oil consumption, I at least know that I (and the woman with whom I live) didn't start an ever-multiplying horde of consumers. I have to laugh (to prevent a more angry response) at all the Yuppies and Liberals who think they are making the world a better place by having two or three or four kids to go out there and keep their "environmentalist" dream alive...or more likely, to rebel against their parents hypocrisy by rejecting their beliefs.


Or we could all just kill ourselves. Wouldn't that have even more "environmental benefit" than simply not having kids since as an added bonus, our dead selves wouldn't be alive consume or to have kids? 2 birds with one stone! :roll:

To the OP, great story!
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