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Re: LEAF+ press release

Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:03 pm

OrientExpress wrote:Either that, or they know more than most of the critics. There is no comparison of today's LEAF reliability and value with the 2011 LEAF. Just reading the enthusiasts blogs show that the issues with the early cars have been addressed. Lots of opinions but no issues.


The marketplace will ultimately decide who is correct on the issue of using a TMS or not. In the fullness of time, it's entirely possible battery technology will be improved enough that a TMS will not be necessary at all.

Yes, Nissan has made incremental technical improvements to specific issues in the earlier models and it's certainly a better product now than it was then!

However, an issue they have not successfully addressed is not a technical one, it's a human one. The manner in which Nissan has acted over the years in addressing the various battery issues has formed an impression on the market, especially among the early adopters who tend to be the most vocal supporters or critics. What opinions they have are largely justified by their experience.

As always, thanks for the insights and posting the press release!
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Re: LEAF+ press release

Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:50 pm

I think the market has spoken loud and clear that Nissan’s BEV strategy is OK with them.

For fun, I tabulated the 2018 LEAF sales world-wide from Nissan's sales reports, and came up with a surprising number. Of course all of these cars batteries are passively thermal managed, but that does not seem to be an issue:

USA: 14.7K
Americas's: 3.5K
Europe: 40K
China: 37K (Sylphy and Venucia version)
Japan/Asia 25K

Total 120K Nissan LEAF/Variant BEVs sold in 2018.

Not too shabby, as that is more than the M3’s worldwide sales for 2018. It’s not by much, but still it shows that Nissan is more than capable in building a quality product, and rumors of its impending demise are exaggerated.
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Re: LEAF+ press release

Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:42 am

For fun, I tabulated the 2018 LEAF sales world-wide from Nissan's sales reports, and came up with a surprising number. Of course all of these cars batteries are passively thermal managed, but that does not seem to be an issue:


I wonder how many of those worldwide buyers/lessees actually know that the packs have no active cooling, and that this has been a problem in hotter climates in the past...
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Re: LEAF+ press release

Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:02 am

OrientExpress wrote:Not too shabby

Let's look at the US

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How is the champion of 2014 doing in 2018 in the US ? LEAF accounts for 3.3% of plug-in sales in December 2018. December is not cherry picked, but chosen because it represents the current US market. The trend is for LEAF marketshare to continue to drop as the overall market expands while Nissan plays the compliance car game and sells a fairly constant, low volume.

Yeah. Not dead -- just zombie mode.
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Re: LEAF+ press release

Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:52 am

All plug in sales are probably going to drop off a little with $2 a gallon gas.
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Re: LEAF+ press release

Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:18 am

I have been watching the "Weber University" Youtube videos who "teardown" the Chevy Bolt and have been amazed at the Quality AND simplicity of their EV design...

If Nissan does not make fluid cooling a part of the Leaf soon, when I need a new EV, I will go with the Bolt.... Even though I have always HATED GM!!!! in the past..

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Re: LEAF+ press release

Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:40 am

Buy a Leaf, you OWN all of it...

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Re: LEAF+ press release

Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:42 am

The Bolt cooling system is definitely superior...but to me it isn't worth the extra cost for my use case (in town driving, occasional 2 hour drives etc). I test drove the Bolt a couple times and after I test drove it (it was FUN to drive) my back and neck were sore from the terrible seats. The cargo capacity with 2 car seats and other stuff also cannot compare to the LEAF. But if you're not needing all the space, and the seats don't bother, then its a decent choice...especially used!
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Re: LEAF+ press release

Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:51 am

I understand NIssan's reluctance to give up on CHAdeMO in the Japanese market, but it is an albatross everywhere else.
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Re: LEAF+ press release

Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:47 am

CHAdeMO is still has the largest FC installed base worldwide, with over 20,000 systems online today.

According to the CHAdeMO Association, it has highest share in plug-in car fleet among fast charging standards. In case of all-electric models, it’s 35% (including Tesla via adapter) or around 20% without Tesla we believe. In case of plug-in hybrids, Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV (CHAdeMO-ready) managed to achieve 15%, but other PHEVs don’t have fast charging at all.

In Europe, CHAdeMO is also very popular as 32% of all BEVs are compatible with CHAdeMO. After including 15% of Tesla cars, it turns out that up to 47% of all-electric cars in Europe can use CHAdeMO.
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