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Blink outdoor?

Sat Apr 16, 2011 9:57 am

Forgive me if this has been discussed but I can't find a "for certain" answer...

This blink charger as supplied by ecotality EV project - may it be installed outdoors where exposed to the environment? I know the J connector obviously can be used out of doors but I mean the whole EVSE unit itself. I might want to install it to an exterior wall if possible...

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Re: Blink outdoor?

Sat Apr 16, 2011 10:03 am

aries wrote:Forgive me if this has been discussed but I can't find a "for certain" answer...

This blink charger as supplied by ecotality EV project - may it be installed outdoors where exposed to the environment? I know the J connector obviously can be used out of doors but I mean the whole EVSE unit itself. I might want to install it to an exterior wall if possible...


the simple answer is yes. the more complex answer is that it is best if it is not in the sun at all or at least shady most of the day.

dont ask me why--that is what I was told and mine is set up outdoors mostly in the shade.
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Re: Blink outdoor?

Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:28 pm

Ours will be installed outdoors on the back of our house. Has not happened yet. I will ask then if it is best to put some kind of shade awning over it.
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Re: Blink outdoor?

Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:32 am

aries wrote:Forgive me if this has been discussed but I can't find a "for certain" answer...

This blink charger as supplied by ecotality EV project - may it be installed outdoors where exposed to the environment? I know the J connector obviously can be used out of doors but I mean the whole EVSE unit itself. I might want to install it to an exterior wall if possible...

The enclosure is fully rated for outdoor, unprotected installation. My Blink is installed in my carport.

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Re: Blink outdoor?

Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:02 am

The user manual has a caveat that Blink should not be Ethernet attached if installed outdoors.
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Re: Blink outdoor?

Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:05 am

DrPowell wrote:The user manual has a caveat that Blink should not be Ethernet attached if installed outdoors.


I was told it is OK with a special sleeve that fits over the cord and the ethernet port at the bottom of the BLINK. They installed it without that and are sending it to me, which reminds me to remind them. thanks.

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Re: Blink outdoor?

Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:52 pm

Has anyone else in San Diego encountered city inspectors restricting outside installation of electric chargers if the outdoor parking spot is not big enough and the building is not set back far enough from the street?

I was contacted last week by Bill Blindell from Ecotality a week after Sunwest installed a Blink charger outside my garage. He said there's a code restriction only in San Diego (of all the cities where they've installed) that said the parking spot (minimum 18' x 8-9.5' depending on surrounding walls) for an external charger has to be a certain distance from the street, and until I got clearance documents from the city, they couldn't call for the inspector to check my installation, and so I wouldn't be able to get the 2nd meter either. He said I would need to go to the San Diego Development Services office and the Zoning Office to get a print out and a card indicating that the Property Line setback (often 10') and the Building Line setback (often 15') were OK. He said this issue has held up a small number of installs/inspections in San Diego and that changing the ordinance was unlikely.

I couldn't find any related posts on this forum (I'm apparently the 3rd one running into this issue in San Diego), but when I searched the city website:
http://apps.sandiego.gov/siteinfoweb/begin.do

I found that my house is in a RS-1-7 (residential single-unit) zone, and that there appears to be at least a 15' setback for buildings:
http://docs.sandiego.gov/municode/MuniC ... sion04.pdf
but there are a lot of details there.

I'm also requesting the Zoning Office tell me what the property line setback is for my lot:
http://www.sandiego.gov/cgi-bin/develop ... ningsel.pl

I just got off the phone with Bill Blindell again today, and he said the city inspector will apparently be looking for paperwork showing Property Setback (something like 10' away from the street) + Building Setback (perhaps 15') + Legal Parking Space (8-18' depending on orientation and obstructing walls?) before the building and electric charger - so possibly 43' total from the street. Hopefully anyone else who is planning exterior installation won't have any difficulties with this issue. If you have any experience with this, I would love to hear about it.

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Re: Blink outdoor?

Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:41 pm

rhover wrote:Has anyone else in San Diego encountered city inspectors restricting outside installation of electric chargers if the outdoor parking spot is not big enough and the building is not set back far enough from the street? ...


This kind of stuff drives me nuts. I'm planning to have them install it wherever causes me the least amount of grief as far as City, etc, goes and gets it done quickest. I will then move it to wherever I ultimately want it myself later.

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Re: Blink outdoor?

Wed Apr 20, 2011 11:11 pm

Today I went to the San Diego Development Services Office at 1222 First Ave downtown. I successfully obtained a verification card which shows the "Curb to Property Line (PL) distance" from the Zoning Office on the 2nd floor and a Parcel Information Report which shows the "Building Setback distance from the Property Line" from the Development Services office on the 3rd floor. For my lot, Curb to PL = 10', and Setback was also 10' (usu 15', but I live in a cul-de-sac, plus apparently somewhere they have established our Setback = 10' regardless of all the guidelines in the Municipal Code). So 10' + 10' + 18' for the parking space = 38' which means our charger installation is far enough from the street. I then left a message for Bill Blindell at Ecotality with the information so he could schedule an inspection for my installation.


In case there are others in San Diego who might have to do this for their exterior EVSE installation:

Go to the 2nd floor Zoning Office first, despite the sign on the 1st floor that says to check in at the 3rd floor Development Services Office - they just sent me back to the 2nd floor. I believe the Zoning Office is open M-Th 7am-4pm. You can call ahead (619) 446-5000 to make an appt, or just walk in and wait (must check in by 3pm). The first appts start at 8am so you might get lucky if you arrive at 7am. They said Monday morning is the busiest day. I went Wed at 9:15am - there were two people with 10am appts ahead of me so I waited an hour before being seen. The clerk was friendly and took about 15 min to get the microfiche for my lot and identify the correct information to write up my verification card (actually a postcard). She even volunteered to email me the survey schematic of my neighborhood. She then put me on the waiting list for the Development Services office, Area 2 (Development Permit Information), and I went up to the 3rd floor.

I checked in again on the 3rd floor and told the receptionist that Zoning had put me on the list for Area 2. She told me to go to Area 2 behind the elevator. There were 3-4 people waiting there, but only 5 minutes later I was called. This clerk took my address and found which zone my lot is in (RS-1-7, as I had previously found on their website), then referred to the Municipal Code, Chapter 13 (which she kindly emailed me).
http://docs.sandiego.gov/municode/MuniC ... sion04.pdf
In Article 1, Division 4, Page 32, there is a Table 131-04D which lists the "Min Front setback" for each zone - 15' for RS-1-7. Then in Section 131.0443 on Page 4, there are exceptions listed for a cul-de-sac which says the setback can be reduced 5' but cannot be less than 5'. In addition, she referred me to Chapter 11, Art 3, Div 2 on measurement:
http://docs.sandiego.gov/municode/MuniC ... sion02.pdf
Section 113.0243 (c) on Page 23 shows how to measure lot width on irregular lots like pie-shaped ones in a cul-de-sac. This is necessary for calculating Min Side setbacks which probably isn't relevant for my EVSE installation, but perhaps someone else on the forum will find it useful. In the end, she printed out the Parcel Information Report with an overhead view of my lot and the neighborhood. It identified the zone RS-1-7 but didn't actually list the Min Front setback. However, she or someone else had written in architectural lettering that there was an established front yard setback of 10' 0". My 3rd floor visit took a total of about 20 minutes. Interestingly, it looks like the Development Permit Information office is open different hours: M,T,Th,F 7am-4pm and Wed 9am-4pm. Their number to make appts is (619) 446-5300.

Overall this process took almost 2 hrs. I had parked on the street at Beech and 3rd where the meter allows a max of 2 hrs for $2.50 and got back just before it ran out. I think the Civic Center garage is $2 for 20 min.
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Re: Blink outdoor?

Fri May 06, 2011 2:36 pm

rhover wrote:Has anyone else in San Diego encountered city inspectors restricting outside installation of electric chargers if the outdoor parking spot is not big enough and the building is not set back far enough from the street?

I was contacted last week by Bill Blindell from Ecotality a week after Sunwest installed a Blink charger outside my garage. He said there's a code restriction only in San Diego (of all the cities where they've installed) that said the parking spot (minimum 18' x 8-9.5' depending on surrounding walls) for an external charger has to be a certain distance from the street, and until I got clearance documents from the city, they couldn't call for the inspector to check my installation, and so I wouldn't be able to get the 2nd meter either. He said I would need to go to the San Diego Development Services office and the Zoning Office to get a print out and a card indicating that the Property Line setback (often 10') and the Building Line setback (often 15') were OK. He said this issue has held up a small number of installs/inspections in San Diego and that changing the ordinance was unlikely...

...I just got off the phone with Bill Blindell again today, and he said the city inspector will apparently be looking for paperwork showing Property Setback (something like 10' away from the street) + Building Setback (perhaps 15') + Legal Parking Space (8-18' depending on orientation and obstructing walls?) before the building and electric charger - so possibly 43' total from the street. Hopefully anyone else who is planning exterior installation won't have any difficulties with this issue. If you have any experience with this, I would love to hear about it.


Yes, I spoke with Lynne Landers at Baker Electric earlier this week and had the same discussion. So, like you, I went downtown and had to get my property line and setback information. Luckily for me it was all okay, but only by about 2 feet. Some of the complications in my setup is that I have a 1924 Craftsman home and so most of the ordinances were not in place when my home was planned and built! But again, luckily my driveway is a "legal parking place." Sheesh-

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