JTim
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Delivery Date: 16 Dec 2015
Leaf Number: 1024

Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:07 am

JTim wrote:
JTim wrote:
JTim wrote:Leaf SV 30 kWh purchased 12/10/15, Delivered 12/16/15
Leaf spy results 1/28/16 (took forever to find an ELM that worked)

Ar=74.5
SOH=93%
Hx=89.12
Odo=13 (at delivery), 547 (current), first trip of 103 miles (with two charge bars remaining, used over a week) 1/20/16
3 QC (the dealer must have done the first two), 13 L1/L2 (one charging event for 5 minutes to test new 240 outlet, all others prior to 1/28/16 were overnight L1).

Couldn't get a picture of the battery balancing bars on screen 1 for some reason, but I they look really out of whack (to me) so cells may be unbalanced.


update, not noted in original:

370.11 V
GIDs 354

average kW= 4.5

L1/L2 =13
QC = 3

2/18/16
GIDs 327, AR 71.55

Update 1/28/17 (1 year anniversary of 1st Leaf Spy check)

ODO 5,593 (Not noted in original post, ODO ODO 571.7)
AHr=66.69
GIDS=191
SOH=83% (370.24V)
kWh=14.86
QC=10, L1/L2=112


First battery capacity bar gone, 3/17/17
Cross-posted to: viewtopic.php?f=30&t=23606

Manufacture date from inside car door is 10/15 *NOT* 2016 as I originally posted

ODO 6,084
AHr=64.97
SOH=81%
Hx=79.63
10 QC / 139 L1/L2

Charging habits: mostly from 20% to 80%, a few to 100%, from memory, 2 QCs in 97-degree temperatures, one or three times car sat more than 4 hours at 100% charge in the heat, and maybe twice (from memory) at 95% charge more than 12 hours (in a garage -- those times I misjudged thinking it would be a busy day, so fully charged ran short errands, car got to 95% at about 3pm, then sat that way until the next morning).


3/19/17

"Put the candle BACK!"

This morning the 12th battery capacity bar was back.

I'm positive I counted correctly on the 17th of March, and there were 11 bars. This may have been a false alarm, or the hot weather, or it is on the verge of disappearing.

SOC=82%
Ahr=53.52
GIDS=256
Hx=79.82%
12 V battery=12.56V

JTim
JTim
Fort Worth, TX
Man. Date: 12/15
Delivered 12-16-2015
Glacier White, 2016 SV, 30 kwh

Valdemar
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:10 am

I can't help but notice that capacity bars on the 30kWh are fatter, unless LeafSpy calcs are off.
'11 SL, totaled
-1CB@33k/21mo, -2CB@53k/33mo, -3CB@68k/41mo, -4CB(41.5AHr)@79k/49mo, -5CB(38.85AHr)@87.5k/54mo
-0CB(66.14AHr)@87.5k/54mo (BBB)
60.5AHr, SOH 94%, 105k miles
9kW Solar

DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:25 am

Valdemar wrote:I can't help but notice that capacity bars on the 30kWh are fatter, unless LeafSpy calcs are off.


yep noticed that as well. makes me VERY interested in when the 11th, 10th, etc will disappear.

but then again, his stats are pretty much looking too similar to 24 kwh pack...
2011 SL; 44,598 miles. 2013 S; 44,840 miles. 2016 S30; 18,297 miles. 363 GIDs, Ahr 82.34, Hx; 100.00% kwh 28.1 QCs 165, L2's 190
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:56 am

This may well be the Nissan's sauce for the longer capacity warranty as we suspected all along, but seems it's still won't be enough in hot places.
'11 SL, totaled
-1CB@33k/21mo, -2CB@53k/33mo, -3CB@68k/41mo, -4CB(41.5AHr)@79k/49mo, -5CB(38.85AHr)@87.5k/54mo
-0CB(66.14AHr)@87.5k/54mo (BBB)
60.5AHr, SOH 94%, 105k miles
9kW Solar

JTim
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Delivery Date: 16 Dec 2015
Leaf Number: 1024

Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:54 am

JTim wrote:
JTim wrote:
JTim wrote:
update, not noted in original:

370.11 V
GIDs 354

average kW= 4.5

L1/L2 =13
QC = 3

2/18/16
GIDs 327, AR 71.55

Update 1/28/17 (1 year anniversary of 1st Leaf Spy check)

ODO 5,593 (Not noted in original post, ODO ODO 571.7)
AHr=66.69
GIDS=191
SOH=83% (370.24V)
kWh=14.86
QC=10, L1/L2=112


First battery capacity bar gone, 3/17/17
Cross-posted to: viewtopic.php?f=30&t=23606

Manufacture date from inside car door is 10/15 *NOT* 2016 as I originally posted

ODO 6,084
AHr=64.97
SOH=81%
Hx=79.63
10 QC / 139 L1/L2

Charging habits: mostly from 20% to 80%, a few to 100%, from memory, 2 QCs in 97-degree temperatures, one or three times car sat more than 4 hours at 100% charge in the heat, and maybe twice (from memory) at 95% charge more than 12 hours (in a garage -- those times I misjudged thinking it would be a busy day, so fully charged ran short errands, car got to 95% at about 3pm, then sat that way until the next morning).


3/19/17

"Put the candle BACK!"

This morning the 12th battery capacity bar was back.

I'm positive I counted correctly on the 17th of March, and there were 11 bars. This may have been a false alarm, or the hot weather, or it is on the verge of disappearing.

SOC=82%
Ahr=53.52
GIDS=256
Hx=79.82%
12 V battery=12.56V

JTim


11th Bar lost again 3/23/17. I took a photo this time, in case it yo-yos again. But as of 3/28/17 it looks permanently gone. Cross-posted. I'm taking a moment to enjoy the fact that most of the time I charged from 20%-ish to 80%-ish, and was getting an average of 70 miles in winter and 80 miles in the summer with the 30-kWh battery (a/c or heat give my short-drives give the full effect of the 10% to 20% drop in efficiency, despite the heat-pump). My energy provider is Green Mountain Energy which charges 9.8 cents an hour, so I think (don't have my notes in front of me) that I add maybe 2.90$ to my electric bill per month (efficient driving) to 3.90$ (non-efficient driving). My total maintenance has been to replace a tire, everything else was the Clipper Creek 24a charger, the electrician to install the 240 plug (low cost since he and I work in the same building). I've installed a cargo-hatch cover and I'm thinking of replacing the OEM mirror with one that gives me homelink. Considering LED lights for the inside map light, maybe headlights. Before this I drove a 2005 Prius which was doing 42 mph, so about 10$ every two weeks in gas at that time. But maintenance was brutal due to the car age. Almost 1000$ that last time it went in.

ODO 6,170
AHr=65.42
Hx=80.04
SOH=81%

J.Tim
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Fort Worth, TX
Man. Date: 12/15
Delivered 12-16-2015
Glacier White, 2016 SV, 30 kwh

armelwani
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Leaf Number: 300185
Location: Monterey, CA

Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Tue Mar 28, 2017 12:27 pm

I've been gone for a while from the forums, but just came back on because today I lost the first bar on my 2016 SL!! At 6,477 miles and 6 months in service!!!

I've read through all the posts since I was last on here and really sorry to hear what @johnlocke has been going through. I hope my experience going forward from here will help those in the same boat as I am.

I have contacted the EV hotline and my dealership. Explained I lost the first bar today on my 2016 Leaf SL with 30kwh battery. I am taking in into the dealership tomorrow to have it checked out per the EV hotline folks. I will update once I know more from them.

In the meantime, here are Leafspy readings from my last full charge just before the bar dropped, along with a photo of the dropped bar:

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Valdemar
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:53 pm

So much for a new and improved battery.
'11 SL, totaled
-1CB@33k/21mo, -2CB@53k/33mo, -3CB@68k/41mo, -4CB(41.5AHr)@79k/49mo, -5CB(38.85AHr)@87.5k/54mo
-0CB(66.14AHr)@87.5k/54mo (BBB)
60.5AHr, SOH 94%, 105k miles
9kW Solar

cwerdna
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:55 pm

armelwani: Your location says Monterey, CA. Is that where the car always resides? Assuming you're working, is where you work of a similar climate? Monterey, CA is NOT at all a hot climate, not even close.

'13 blue Leaf SV w/premium package (owned)
'13 blue Leaf SV w/QC + LED & premium packages (lease over, car returned)
'06 Prius

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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:20 am

cwerdna wrote:armelwani: Your location says Monterey, CA. Is that where the car always resides? Assuming you're working, is where you work of a similar climate? Monterey, CA is NOT at all a hot climate, not even close.

Yeah, something very wrong here if 30 kWh packs are losing bars in so little time.

Any other tests to confirm battery capacity? Can we get a LeafSpy shot of the cell-pair voltages close to LBW or any other point below 50% charged?
'11 LEAF SL Powered By 3.24 kW Enphase Solar PV

DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:37 am

Wow. I have almost 8,000 miles on mine and stats are still the same as when new. 60 QCs (kinda dispels the myth they are harmful...)
2011 SL; 44,598 miles. 2013 S; 44,840 miles. 2016 S30; 18,297 miles. 363 GIDs, Ahr 82.34, Hx; 100.00% kwh 28.1 QCs 165, L2's 190
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