lorenfb
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Leaf Number: 416635
Location: SoCal

Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:41 pm

SageBrush wrote:
lorenfb wrote:You assumed that the ChargePoint used was NOT a QC, i.e. no DC directly to the battery with no losses, except internal battery resistance
losses, right? Was that really the case?

He said Chargepoint at work.


ChargePoint does provide a QC, i.e. which some just call a charger, right?
Leaf SL MY 9/13: 66K miles, 50 Ahrs, 5.2 miles/kWh (average), Hx=70, SOH=78, L2 charges to 100% > 1000, max battery temp < 95F (35C), min discharge point > 20 Ahrs

SageBrush
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Location: Colorado

Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:38 am

lorenfb wrote:
SageBrush wrote:
lorenfb wrote:You assumed that the ChargePoint used was NOT a QC, i.e. no DC directly to the battery with no losses, except internal battery resistance
losses, right? Was that really the case?

He said Chargepoint at work.


ChargePoint does provide a QC, i.e. which some just call a charger, right?

They do, but so far as I know only profit seeking businesses have bought them. Workplaces and private homes install L2 EVSEs
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado
3/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
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lorenfb
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:15 am

SageBrush wrote:
lorenfb wrote:
SageBrush wrote:He said Chargepoint at work.


ChargePoint does provide a QC, i.e. which some just call a charger, right?

They do, but so far as I know only profit seeking businesses have bought them. Workplaces and private homes install L2 EVSEs


Yes, you're correct. It's unlikely that a QC was there or near a work location.
Leaf SL MY 9/13: 66K miles, 50 Ahrs, 5.2 miles/kWh (average), Hx=70, SOH=78, L2 charges to 100% > 1000, max battery temp < 95F (35C), min discharge point > 20 Ahrs

SageBrush
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:02 am

lorenfb wrote:
SageBrush wrote:
lorenfb wrote:
ChargePoint does provide a QC, i.e. which some just call a charger, right?

They do, but so far as I know only profit seeking businesses have bought them. Workplaces and private homes install L2 EVSEs


Yes, you're correct. It's unlikely that a QC was there or near a work location.

A QC might be nearby but its use is expensive and probably not convenient for a person going to work. And he did say *at* work.
So lots of reasons to presume L2 charging.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado
3/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
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2018 Tesla Model 3 LR, Delivered 6/2018

lorenfb
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:14 am

SageBrush wrote:
lorenfb wrote:
SageBrush wrote:They do, but so far as I know only profit seeking businesses have bought them. Workplaces and private homes install L2 EVSEs


Yes, you're correct. It's unlikely that a QC was there or near a work location.

A QC might be nearby but its use is expensive and probably not convenient for a person going to work. And he did say *at* work.
So lots of reasons to presume L2 charging.


Expensive? Time is money. I typically don't have more than 10-15 minutes to waste for a charge, and NEVER use a L2 except at home.
Leaf SL MY 9/13: 66K miles, 50 Ahrs, 5.2 miles/kWh (average), Hx=70, SOH=78, L2 charges to 100% > 1000, max battery temp < 95F (35C), min discharge point > 20 Ahrs

Oils4AsphaultOnly
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Leaf Number: 313890
Location: Arcadia, CA

Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:41 am

lorenfb wrote:
SageBrush wrote:
lorenfb wrote:
Yes, you're correct. It's unlikely that a QC was there or near a work location.

A QC might be nearby but its use is expensive and probably not convenient for a person going to work. And he did say *at* work.
So lots of reasons to presume L2 charging.


Expensive? Time is money. I typically don't have more than 10-15 minutes to waste for a charge, and NEVER use a L2 except at home.


Most commuters park their cars at work during work hours. Does this mean you don't work out of your office?
:: Model 3 LR :: acquired 9 May '18
:: Leaf S30 :: build date: Sep '16 :: purchased: Nov '16
Date - Miles / GIDs:
May '17 - 7300 mi / 363
Feb '18 - 20.5k mi / 333

SageBrush
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:53 pm

Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:
lorenfb wrote:
SageBrush wrote:A QC might be nearby but its use is expensive and probably not convenient for a person going to work. And he did say *at* work.
So lots of reasons to presume L2 charging.


Expensive? Time is money. I typically don't have more than 10-15 minutes to waste for a charge, and NEVER use a L2 except at home.


Most commuters park their cars at work during work hours. Does this mean you don't work out of your office?

Exactly.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado
3/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
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johnlocke
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Sun Jul 08, 2018 10:30 pm

Update on new battery after one month. 82.09 AH 363 GID's, SOH 103.20%, Hx 96.82%. 46966 mi. with just over 2000 mi on the new battery.
I had the software update done in late June but it appears that it was already done when the battery was changed. I haven't needed to to do a DCFC yet so I can't comment on charging rates with the new battery. Only real difference I see is that some regen is available at all times. I get one circle of regen available by the time I pull out of the driveway and LeafSpy says it's working. 3 circles by the time I'm down to 97% and all 4 by 94-95% down.

Battery health has actually improved slightly over the last month. I suspect that is due to the BMS learning the new battery. I expect it to take at least a year to see if the software patch actually does anything. I'll keep posting periodically for everyone's benefit.
2016 SV, New battery at 45K mi.
Jamul, CA
San Diego East County

johnlocke
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:08 pm

Update on battery. After two months of hot weather there doesn't appear to be any deterioration. Stats are 363 GID's 82.04 AH SOH 103.22% Hx 96.15% 0 DCFC 55 L2. 2696 mi on new battery 47725 mi on the car. Hx has dropped by 1% but that's the only change I see. I still think I need to see a year's worth of data before I have any real confidence in the new battery and the software change.
2016 SV, New battery at 45K mi.
Jamul, CA
San Diego East County

DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:06 am

johnlocke wrote:Update on battery. After two months of hot weather there doesn't appear to be any deterioration. Stats are 363 GID's 82.04 AH SOH 103.22% Hx 96.15% 0 DCFC 55 L2. 2696 mi on new battery 47725 mi on the car. Hx has dropped by 1% but that's the only change I see. I still think I need to see a year's worth of data before I have any real confidence in the new battery and the software change.


Great initial report but what is farthest you have driven? Largest DoD?

Unless you pop off a 110 mile run, we hold judgment. ;)
2011 SL; 44,598 miles. 2013 S; 44,840 miles.2016 S30 deceased. 29,413 miles. 2018 S40; 8743 miles, 485 GIDs, 37.6 kwh 111.39 Ahr , SOH 96.49, Hx 114.98
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