Turbo3
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Re: Leaf Spy and Leaf Spy Pro

Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:00 pm

virol wrote:
Turbo3 wrote:A new test version of LeafSpy is now available that fixes Dropbox support. You can use this link to test it out.

https://play.google.com/apps/testing/com.Turbo3.Leaf_Spy1

It also adds support for 2018 and newer Leafs.

Google now requires permissions to be handled at run time instead of during install. So you may see some new popup the first time you run it on a new device. The permission that LeafSpy uses to read phone status is described by Google to be asking to make and manage phone calls which is total wrong.

There is one other function I am checking out with this version. To see if it is working I need testers to send me screenshots of the About screen.


I tryed to participate this testversion, but i am user of the android leaf spy PRO version and this concern only the leaf spy version right?

keep up your good work turbo3

regards

Correct the current test if for the LeafSpy version. After that is released I will be updating LeafSpy Pro and at that time there will be a new test version of LeafSpy Pro for you to test.

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Re: Leaf Spy and Leaf Spy Pro

Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:32 pm

I am about to try to register new TPMS sensors for my 2018 leaf with LS Pro. What do I do after enabling the tire register mode??? I asked for this info in two other topics, with no answer on using LeafSpy to do it.

EDIT: Once I got into it then it became more clear. I'll have to wait and do it another day, though, as messing with the tire pressures with a little portable pump will take an hour. Happily, I have no warning lights in the meantime.
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Re: Leaf Spy and Leaf Spy Pro

Fri Nov 16, 2018 2:03 am

LeftieBiker wrote:I am about to try to register new TPMS sensors for my 2018 leaf with LS Pro. What do I do after enabling the tire register mode??? I asked for this info in two other topics, with no answer on using LeafSpy to do it.

EDIT: Once I got into it then it became more clear. I'll have to wait and do it another day, though, as messing with the tire pressures with a little portable pump will take an hour. Happily, I have no warning lights in the meantime.

Tire Registration is not yet support for 2018+ model year Leafs.

Currently Tire Registration is only supported on 2011-2017 Leafs.

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Re: Leaf Spy and Leaf Spy Pro

Fri Nov 16, 2018 3:22 am

Tire Registration is not yet support for 2018+ model year Leafs.

Currently Tire Registration is only supported on 2011-2017 Leafs.


Interesting, because I seem to have done it anyway - without lowering the pressures and driving above 25MPH. I was fooling around with the function, and I think I selected "reset" and then 'Register" and then drove the car for a few minutes. The wheels/tires that came off should have had about 38-39psi in them. When I didn't get a warning light I called up the pressures, and they were all 41 or 42psi. The installer told me he'd set the new snow tires to 42psi. It was a colder day than we've had, so there would have been no rise in tire temps, just a drop. So it may be possible to do a 'quick & dirty' registration with the '18 Leaf that gives you pressures but not positions for the tires. That would actually be good enough for me...
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Re: Leaf Spy and Leaf Spy Pro

Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:28 am

LeftieBiker wrote:Interesting, because I seem to have done it anyway - without lowering the pressures and driving above 25MPH.

Perhaps your installer used cloned TPMS sensors. Then registration wouldn't be needed.
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Re: Leaf Spy and Leaf Spy Pro

Fri Nov 16, 2018 3:55 pm

Well, I decided, after a break of several years, to check again what might be the best way to judge range near turtle. The reason is, about twice yearly I make a trip and have less than I anticipated near home (I.e. below VLBW and usually no fuel bars showing). It's important to me because, typically, it is at the end of the day, I'm tired, and even though there are numerous charge stations within a few miles of my home, I would MUCH rather make it home, relax and charge at home, than stop and spend 30-60 minutes charging when near home (no fast charge port). I have a 2013 S that has lost one bar.

A few months after buying the car in 2013, I purposefully ran the car down to turtle, taking numerous measurements the last couple of miles. Result at that time, distance to turtle seemed to be best estimated in the 0-5mile range, by looking at the minimum cell voltage. Then turtle seemed to occur very close to 3.00 volts.

Leaf Spy has a handy, adjustable, range guesstimator, which can be set to 0.5KWH (0.1KWH above turtle). Well that didn't work so well on today's test. I drove 5.8 miles from when LeafSpy reported 0.5KWH until it changed to 0.4KWH (turtle).... Hmm 5.8 miles on 0.1KWH, I think not (I was driving around the block near my home at 20-25mph, dash efficiency read 4.9-5.1mi/KWH).

I (stupidly) did not note GIDS, but did record LeafSpy SOC, which showed 7.8% when I hit 0.5KWH remaining, and gradually decreased to 4.8% at turtle. I also noted the minimum cell voltage, which matched very closely to the results I got when the car was near new. About 3.30V=2.5mi remaining until turtle, 3.20V=1.4mi remaining, 3.10V=0.8mi, and turtle at 3.01V.

Seems like either minimum cell voltage or LeafSpy SOC gives better info than the LeafSpy guesstimator using 0.5KWH remaining.

So, this post is both an FYI for those that drive below VLBW and want to know will they really make it home or not...

And two Queries, what is the most accurate way to estimate range when near turtle (is GIDS better than SOC or min cell voltage); AND Why did the car go 5.8miles on a reportedly only 0.1 KWH energy????
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Re: Leaf Spy and Leaf Spy Pro

Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:22 pm

garsh wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:Interesting, because I seem to have done it anyway - without lowering the pressures and driving above 25MPH.

Perhaps your installer used cloned TPMS sensors. Then registration wouldn't be needed.


No. I bought them and the tires from Tire Rack, and they did need to be registered. The installer did nothing more than physically install them (because tire rack was late with the torque spec I needed. It's 8NM, BTW).
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Re: Leaf Spy and Leaf Spy Pro

Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:28 am

stjohnh wrote:Well, I decided, after a break of several years, to check again what might be the best way to judge range near turtle. The reason is, about twice yearly I make a trip and have less than I anticipated near home (I.e. below VLBW and usually no fuel bars showing). It's important to me because, typically, it is at the end of the day, I'm tired, and even though there are numerous charge stations within a few miles of my home, I would MUCH rather make it home, relax and charge at home, than stop and spend 30-60 minutes charging when near home (no fast charge port). I have a 2013 S that has lost one bar.

A few months after buying the car in 2013, I purposefully ran the car down to turtle, taking numerous measurements the last couple of miles. Result at that time, distance to turtle seemed to be best estimated in the 0-5mile range, by looking at the minimum cell voltage. Then turtle seemed to occur very close to 3.00 volts.

Leaf Spy has a handy, adjustable, range guesstimator, which can be set to 0.5KWH (0.1KWH above turtle). Well that didn't work so well on today's test. I drove 5.8 miles from when LeafSpy reported 0.5KWH until it changed to 0.4KWH (turtle).... Hmm 5.8 miles on 0.1KWH, I think not (I was driving around the block near my home at 20-25mph, dash efficiency read 4.9-5.1mi/KWH).

I (stupidly) did not note GIDS, but did record LeafSpy SOC, which showed 7.8% when I hit 0.5KWH remaining, and gradually decreased to 4.8% at turtle. I also noted the minimum cell voltage, which matched very closely to the results I got when the car was near new. About 3.30V=2.5mi remaining until turtle, 3.20V=1.4mi remaining, 3.10V=0.8mi, and turtle at 3.01V.

Seems like either minimum cell voltage or LeafSpy SOC gives better info than the LeafSpy guesstimator using 0.5KWH remaining.

So, this post is both an FYI for those that drive below VLBW and want to know will they really make it home or not...

And two Queries, what is the most accurate way to estimate range when near turtle (is GIDS better than SOC or min cell voltage); AND Why did the car go 5.8miles on a reportedly only 0.1 KWH energy????



Guessing you now know that Turtle is voltage controlled so setting kwh doesn't work.

As far as the 5 miles on .1 kwh. Its really all about the load on the pack. If the load is light like in your case, the battery will last longer. Look at it as someone carrying a weight by themselves for 100 yards verses being in a team of 6 carrying the weight 600 yards. There is a point where the weight is simply too much for one person but easy (at a much longer distance) with many persons. Bad analogy I am sure but the idea is very much the same.

Try using that same .1 kwh at 60 mph or with a few spirited take offs. This should show that all those measurements are guesstimates. Voltage is about the only thing being measured and they throw in a bunch of calculated and assumed values to provide you the rest.
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Re: Leaf Spy and Leaf Spy Pro

Fri Nov 23, 2018 5:33 pm

Turbo3, I have a leaf 2013 but I just install this setup. Feel like a have a new car concerning the audio/gps functionality now.

https://github.com/opencardev/crankshaf ... Crankshaft

Anyway, i'm in to be a beta tester when you're ready to jump in the android auto apps.

Thanks for your apps.

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Re: Leaf Spy and Leaf Spy Pro

Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:35 am

I assume this has been asked before (sorry, I didn't page through all 180 pages of this thread!), but from what I've read elsewhere in this thread/forum, a GID (Gary's identification unit?) is a number that Nissan engineers made up to talk about their batteries. 1 GID roughly equals 80 watt hours.

If this is true, why doesn't Leaf Spy Pro offer a view option on the main screen in which GIDs are converted into watt hours? It seem to me that this would be a more useful metric, since watt hours is a universal unit that applies to all batteries. Also, in Leaf Spy Pro the motor's output is measured in watt hours, so it would allow for a direct comparison between the watt hour output of the motor (and other systems) and the battery's remaining charge (in terms of watt hours).

Obviously the math is quite simple, you just take the number of GIDs, multiply it by 80, and display the result as watt hours. Right?

I understand that over time one would become accustomed to thinking in GIDs, but it just seems silly to me to make up a new unit when watt hours is effectively the same thing. Again, I'm proposing this be an option in addition to displaying GIDs, as one of the various view modes that the user can toggle through.

Thanks Turbo3! I just started using Leaf Spy Pro and I'm loving it so far!
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