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Re: Leaf Spy and Leaf Spy Pro

Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:42 pm

The car’s estimate of remaining miles is not used by LeafSpy. The car’s estimate is based on the average miles per kWh you have been getting in the recent past. It also doesn't include about 1.5kWh of charge below the VLB warning.

LeafSpy uses the number of kWhs to determine the mileage remaining. The user sets the average miles per kWh that they expect to get and how close to turtle they are willing to go.

The user can also adjust the Gids. A Gid is a number reported by the car which seems to correlate to how much charge the battery holds. There are differences of opinion as to whether a Gid should be 75 or 80Whs.
RustyShackleford wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:32 am
Curious about the "miles remaining" number. It seems to be based on a user-entered value for watt-hours per mile. Are we supposed to just estimate that based on looking at the efficiency graphs ? I thought the car's built-in meter actually tweaked the mails-remaining display based on observed driving behavior, which actually seems more accurate. I must be missing something.
1st Capacity Bar loss 30k mi 16.25mo
2nd- 49k mi 25.5mo 51.5Ah
3rd- 73k mi 36.5mo 46.9Ah
4th- 86.5k mi 43mo 42.61Ah
5th- 101k mi 50.5mo 38.38Ah, end 36.13Ah
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1st- 160.5k mi 34mo 54.02Ah

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Re: Leaf Spy and Leaf Spy Pro

Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:06 pm

91040 wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:42 pm
The car’s estimate of remaining miles is not used by LeafSpy. The car’s estimate is based on the average miles per kWh you have been getting in the recent past. ... LeafSpy uses the number of kWhs to determine the mileage remaining. The user sets the average miles per kWh that they expect to get and how close to turtle they are willing to go.
I'm confused then, because it seems to me that the car's estimate is more trustworthy.

I understand that LeafSpy gives a more accurate indication of how much electrical energy is stored in the battery, but why on earth can't it do what the car does and compute a miles-per-kwh instead of relying on an estimate the user enters ?
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Re: Leaf Spy and Leaf Spy Pro

Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:17 pm

RustyShackleford wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:06 pm
I understand that LeafSpy gives a more accurate indication of how much electrical energy is stored in the battery, but why on earth can't it do what the car does and compute a miles-per-kwh instead of relying on an estimate the user enters ?
Because the experienced user can estimate better that an average of past driving.

Consider driving over a mountian pass. Miles per kWh will be low, perhaps very low. The GOM will be reading a very low distance... But I know that I could coast most of the way to my destination, and may even regenerate more energy that I use.
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DaveinOlyWA
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Re: Leaf Spy and Leaf Spy Pro

Sat Aug 17, 2019 8:20 am

RustyShackleford wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:06 pm
91040 wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:42 pm
The car’s estimate of remaining miles is not used by LeafSpy. The car’s estimate is based on the average miles per kWh you have been getting in the recent past. ... LeafSpy uses the number of kWhs to determine the mileage remaining. The user sets the average miles per kWh that they expect to get and how close to turtle they are willing to go.
I'm confused then, because it seems to me that the car's estimate is more trustworthy.

I understand that LeafSpy gives a more accurate indication of how much electrical energy is stored in the battery, but why on earth can't it do what the car does and compute a miles-per-kwh instead of relying on an estimate the user enters ?
Because your estimate is based on previous experience and the knowledge of the route, driving conditions, and driving style. IOW; LEAF Spy cannot tell if its raining. (water on the road is the #1 source of reduced range)

Besides how can you think the car is better when it simply stops giving you an estimate with more than 10% of the capacity remaining?
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Re: Leaf Spy and Leaf Spy Pro

Sat Aug 17, 2019 9:27 am

I would just like a kWh remaining. I bet Nissan could even do it with a software update and put it on the monitor.

If they still insist on hiding range, they can keep 1kW hidden, but not 4 or 5 like it does on the Plus.
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Re: Leaf Spy and Leaf Spy Pro

Sat Aug 17, 2019 9:33 am

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2019 9:27 am
I would just like a kWh remaining. I bet Nissan could even do it with a software update and put it on the monitor.

If they still insist on hiding range, they can keep 1kW hidden, but not 4 or 5 like it does on the Plus.
LOL! You got what you got. Its not a Tesla with continuous rolling updates. Get LEAF Spy. Its a tool and like any tool, it doesn't work if you don't know how to work it.

Its like having a woodshop filled with $100,000 worth of equipment. That is no guarantee you can make furniture with it.
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Re: Leaf Spy and Leaf Spy Pro

Sat Aug 17, 2019 12:54 pm

I have Leafspy. I only use it for long trips. For daily use, no reason to use it any more with the Plus. Even if I need to make an unplanned run to Milwaukee and back (from Chicagoland) it’s really not anything close to testing the range of the car.

In my 2013 I only did the trip once in the first year I had the car (for extra challenge it was 0 out) and obviously had to charge during the trip.
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Re: Leaf Spy and Leaf Spy Pro

Sat Aug 17, 2019 1:19 pm

Turbo3 wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:35 am
At last a new updated version of LeafSpy Pro is ready for testing. If you have LeafSpy Pro you can use this link to try it out and give me feedback. There is also an updated PDF of the built-in help.
Any status on the release of the update? Android version on play store still reflecting 0.45.119, dated May 31, 2018
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Re: Leaf Spy and Leaf Spy Pro

Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:57 pm

goldbrick wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:56 pm
There is also a 'software update' that applies to the 30 kWh batteries, which I think the 2016 SL used. If that hasn't been done the SOH is less reliable that if it has. At least on my 2017 S (with a 30 kWh battery) the software update increased my indicated SOH by about 5%, which seems to agree better with the range I get from the car.
Is there a way to check if the update was applied or not?

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Re: Leaf Spy and Leaf Spy Pro

Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:19 am

TURBO,

Any way we could have Leafspy activate the battery heater. Usually it only runs when it is super cold out, but was thinking if we could activate it when the battery is only moderately cold (say 0 C), you could in theory when plugged in, heat things up a bit, and get a little better efficiency.

Wondered if that was exposed via OBDII.
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