Valdemar
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:47 pm

johnlocke wrote:In that case, I won't lose the first bar until I'm down to 235-240 GID's. If that's the case, NIssan will be back in court again.


On what grounds? At no time did Nissan make any statements about bars loss vs. remaining % capacity this time. From their point of view it would be operating "as designed".
'11 SL, totaled
-1CB@33k/21mo, -2CB@53k/33mo, -3CB@68k/41mo, -4CB(41.5AHr)@79k/49mo, -5CB(38.85AHr)@87.5k/54mo
-0CB(66.14AHr)@87.5k/54mo (BBB)
59.7AHr, SOH 93%, 118k miles
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johnlocke
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:36 pm

Valdemar wrote:
johnlocke wrote:In that case, I won't lose the first bar until I'm down to 235-240 GID's. If that's the case, NIssan will be back in court again.


On what grounds? At no time did Nissan make any statements about bars loss vs. remaining % capacity this time. From their point of view it would be operating "as designed".

The first grounds would be lack of usability due to range loss. Second grounds would be failure to define loss of more than three bars as anything other than a straight percentage value. Third grounds would be false advertising I.E. Nissan execs stating that a typical Leaf would retain 80% capacity at 100,000 miles and an 8 year/100000 mile battery warranty to back up that claim.

Seriously, we already went through this with the 24KWH batteries. Same arguments will apply. Nissan lost last time and I'd expect them to lose again. If I'm told that loss of more than three bars (I.E Four Bars) out of twelve will trigger the warranty then I expect that if the battery drops below 66% of it's stated capacity, it will be repaired. Nissan might elect to replace the battery or they could overhaul it but I'd expect it to be at least repaired to 80% of the stated 30KWH value. NIssan can define a warranty failure any way they want but the court may have other ideas.

From a practical standpoint, Nissan should get ahead of any battery failures if they want to continue selling electric cars. Another round of early battery failures would kill their chances forever. Who is going to buy a next generation Leaf with two rounds of battery failures in its history. They will buy a Ford or Chevy or even a Volkswagen before a Leaf. If Tesla delivers on the model 3 as promised, the Leaf is likely toast anyway.
Jamul, CA
San Diego East County

jbuntz
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:39 pm

My first reading was 68.92Ah 86% SOH and 83.96 Hx with 12 bars. Since then mine has improved a bit. If it is similar to the 25kWh then you should lose a bar soon. If the first bar does not drop until the same time as a 25kWh battery then I will be very disappointed.
Mfg 11/15 Del 12/16 TX 2016 SL 30kWh,
30 Apr 2017 5175 mi 324 GID Ahr 70.75 SOH 89% Hx 85.31% kWh 25.1
11 Aug 2017 11 bar 9245 mi 282 GID Ahr 61.68 SOH 77% Hx 75.83% kWh 21.9
21 Oct 2017 10 bars 12000 mi 260 GID Ahr 57.22 SOH 71% Hx 70.58% kWh 20.2

DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:22 am

jbuntz wrote:My first reading was 68.92Ah 86% SOH and 83.96 Hx with 12 bars. Since then mine has improved a bit. If it is similar to the 25kWh then you should lose a bar soon. If the first bar does not drop until the same time as a 25kWh battery then I will be very disappointed.


there is no indication that that will not happen so expect to lose it at roughly 67.5 ish.
2011 SL; 44,598 miles. 2013 S; 44,840 miles.2016 S30 (build 10/2016)"low water marks" 26,100.2 miles.363GID Ahr 79.55Hx95.35%kwh28.1QCs227,L2's 237
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arnis
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Tue Mar 07, 2017 2:41 pm

2016 year 30kWh Leaf with 100% SOH and 103% Hx battery.
Outside temp slightly below freezing:
GOM 189km ECO, 179km normal, 172 ECO with CC heat.
Actual range estimation (white bubble data) ECO+heat 132km.
361GIDs at 100%, 28,0kWh remaining, 101.1%GID, 96.7%SOC.

Compared to my 2014 new 24kWh pack available capacity: 22kWh vs 28kWh.
Both have slight reserve near turtle (0.3-0,4kWh).
And range data is similar. 80% on 30kWh Leaf is pretty much
like fully charged 24kWh Leaf.
Short range EVs <30kWh -- Medium range: 30-60kWh -- Long range: >60kWh
Charging: Trickle <3kW -- Normal 3-22kW -- Fast 50-100kW -- Supercharging >100kW

johnlocke
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Thu Mar 09, 2017 6:25 pm

First report of a capacity bar drop on a 2016 30KWH Leaf. Some guy in Orlando has reported first bar dropped at 14.4K. Unfortunately, he didn't provide any other info.
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cwerdna
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Thu Mar 09, 2017 6:48 pm

johnlocke wrote:First report of a capacity bar drop on a 2016 30KWH Leaf. Some guy in Orlando has reported first bar dropped at 14.4K. Unfortunately, he didn't provide any other info.

Post at https://www.facebook.com/groups/nissan. ... 269910910/. He's updated it to include screenshots from Leaf Spy.

I'd also started a 2016-2017 30 kWh capacity loss/bar loser thread at viewtopic.php?f=30&t=23606. As I posted in a reply:
I can see in one of them:
AHr: 63.91
SOH: 80%
Hx: 76.47%

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'13 blue Leaf SV w/QC + LED & premium packages (lease over, car returned)
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Reddy
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Thu Mar 09, 2017 11:26 pm

Not good!
Reddy
2011 SL; 9 bar, 46.44 AHr; 40,067 mi; rcv'd Aug 18, 2011
Long: http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... al#p226115"
Cold: http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 60#p243033"

DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Fri Mar 10, 2017 7:21 pm

cwerdna wrote:
johnlocke wrote:First report of a capacity bar drop on a 2016 30KWH Leaf. Some guy in Orlando has reported first bar dropped at 14.4K. Unfortunately, he didn't provide any other info.

Post at https://www.facebook.com/groups/nissan. ... 269910910/. He's updated it to include screenshots from Leaf Spy.

I'd also started a 2016-2017 30 kWh capacity loss/bar loser thread at viewtopic.php?f=30&t=23606. As I posted in a reply:
I can see in one of them:
AHr: 63.91
SOH: 80%
Hx: 76.47%



looks like the percentage for first bar drop is off. need more data
2011 SL; 44,598 miles. 2013 S; 44,840 miles.2016 S30 (build 10/2016)"low water marks" 26,100.2 miles.363GID Ahr 79.55Hx95.35%kwh28.1QCs227,L2's 237
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JTim
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:50 am

JTim wrote:
JTim wrote:Leaf SV 30 kWh purchased 12/10/15, Delivered 12/16/15
Leaf spy results 1/28/16 (took forever to find an ELM that worked)

Ar=74.5
SOH=93%
Hx=89.12
Odo=13 (at delivery), 547 (current), first trip of 103 miles (with two charge bars remaining, used over a week) 1/20/16
3 QC (the dealer must have done the first two), 13 L1/L2 (one charging event for 5 minutes to test new 240 outlet, all others prior to 1/28/16 were overnight L1).

Couldn't get a picture of the battery balancing bars on screen 1 for some reason, but I they look really out of whack (to me) so cells may be unbalanced.


update, not noted in original:

370.11 V
GIDs 354

average kW= 4.5

L1/L2 =13
QC = 3

2/18/16
GIDs 327, AR 71.55

Update 1/28/17 (1 year anniversary of 1st Leaf Spy check)

ODO 5,593 (Not noted in original post, ODO ODO 571.7)
AHr=66.69
GIDS=191
SOH=83% (370.24V)
kWh=14.86
QC=10, L1/L2=112


First battery capacity bar gone, 3/17/17
Cross-posted to: viewtopic.php?f=30&t=23606

Manufacture date from inside car door is 10/15 *NOT* 2016 as I originally posted

ODO 6,084
AHr=64.97
SOH=81%
Hx=79.63
10 QC / 139 L1/L2

Charging habits: mostly from 20% to 80%, a few to 100%, from memory, 2 QCs in 97-degree temperatures, one or three times car sat more than 4 hours at 100% charge in the heat, and maybe twice (from memory) at 95% charge more than 12 hours (in a garage -- those times I misjudged thinking it would be a busy day, so fully charged ran short errands, car got to 95% at about 3pm, then sat that way until the next morning).
JTim
Fort Worth, TX
Man. Date: 12/15
Delivered 12-16-2015
Glacier White, 2016 SV, 30 kwh

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