camasleaf
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:47 am

I am just wondering what his driving style is, miles per kwh? My 2011 shows 86 miles on the GOM, with 2 bars loss, SOH 75%.
2011 SLe 06/17/11 Over 76000 miles 71%SOH 15.7kWh
2015 SV 09/02/14, Over 36000 miles soon to be returned for a 2018
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armelwani
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Location: Monterey, CA

Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:56 am

My car resides in Monterey and I work in Monterey, a VERY mild climate. Our yearly high is in the low 80s and we seldom see temperatures below freezing even in our coldest winters.

I average 4.2mi/kwh. Happy to get a picture of that at some point. This is my second Leaf, after I had a 2011 SL. I drive it very conservatively, always in B ECO, and when coasting I shift into N and let it roll along as much as possible before applying power again. I have my tires at 42psi as seen in my screenshots.

I will try and get screenshots at LBW and VLBW and post here. I don't know what the dealership is going to say today, but I'm sure I'll get it back while Nissan decides what to do. I'll update as I know more.

armelwani
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:29 am

They are keeping my car overnight and I'm getting a rental. Will update tomorrow when I know more.

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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:48 am

Your LEAF is clearly in the hands of somebody who understands how to make these batteries last, as well as a climate that is close to ideal.

I'm glad that I leased the last one!

This is just not a problem that I expect from the LG-Chem cells in the Chrysler plug-in hybrid minivan, GM Bolt EV or Volt.

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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:24 am

cwerdna wrote:
johnlocke wrote:First report of a capacity bar drop on a 2016 30KWH Leaf. Some guy in Orlando has reported first bar dropped at 14.4K. Unfortunately, he didn't provide any other info.

Post at https://www.facebook.com/groups/nissan. ... 269910910/. He's updated it to include screenshots from Leaf Spy.


annoying that I can't see the facebook post. It forces me to request to join the group and then I'm waiting on a group admin to accept the request. Still can't see the post.
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:12 am

armelwani wrote:My car resides in Monterey and I work in Monterey, a VERY mild climate. Our yearly high is in the low 80s and we seldom see temperatures below freezing even in our coldest winters.

I average 4.2mi/kwh. Happy to get a picture of that at some point. This is my second Leaf, after I had a 2011 SL. I drive it very conservatively, always in B ECO, and when coasting I shift into N and let it roll along as much as possible before applying power again. I have my tires at 42psi as seen in my screenshots.

I will try and get screenshots at LBW and VLBW and post here. I don't know what the dealership is going to say today, but I'm sure I'll get it back while Nissan decides what to do. I'll update as I know more.


sounds like you are doing everything right. what is your average daily mileage? Sometimes if its too low that will depress stats but not to the point of losing bars. Right after I got mine, I went 2 weeks with very little driving with half the days at under 10 miles, charging it just a few hours every few days or so and it dropped to 98% SOH and 81.17 ahr. Due primarily to my wanting to see where the numbers would go and also a slow time at work

But when things picked up, this included several fast charges (about half the days it was 2 charges a day) and stats went back to new 100% SOH, 82.34 ahr.

I used to live in Marina so pretty familiar with the climate you have and I have to think most of the damage was done before you got the car. Another reason why I won't get a LEAF without plugging in LEAF Spy first and always select a car no more than 2 months off the factory floor. On my 2016 S 30, I got it on Veteran's Day. For the uninformed, my version started on the factory floor in Oct.
2011 SL; 44,598 miles. 2013 S; 44,840 miles.2016 S30 (build 10/2016)"low water marks" 26,100.2 miles.363GID Ahr 79.55Hx95.35%kwh28.1QCs227,L2's 237
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armelwani
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Thu Mar 30, 2017 10:05 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
sounds like you are doing everything right. what is your average daily mileage? Sometimes if its too low that will depress stats but not to the point of losing bars. Right after I got mine, I went 2 weeks with very little driving with half the days at under 10 miles, charging it just a few hours every few days or so and it dropped to 98% SOH and 81.17 ahr. Due primarily to my wanting to see where the numbers would go and also a slow time at work

But when things picked up, this included several fast charges (about half the days it was 2 charges a day) and stats went back to new 100% SOH, 82.34 ahr.

I used to live in Marina so pretty familiar with the climate you have and I have to think most of the damage was done before you got the car. Another reason why I won't get a LEAF without plugging in LEAF Spy first and always select a car no more than 2 months off the factory floor. On my 2016 S 30, I got it on Veteran's Day. For the uninformed, my version started on the factory floor in Oct.


My commute alone is 20 miles round trip, but I work in IT and travel to client sites pretty regularly. It's not unusual for me to have a 100 mile day and do a couple charges in the same day. I seldom have a less than 30 mile day, so usually charging every other day from about 30% up to full.

I always list as being in Monterey because it's easier for people to identify where that is, mostly because of the Aquarium, but I actually live in Marina. Where/when did you live when you were here? For a little added perspective of my driving habits, my HQ is in Ryan Ranch and most of my clients are in Salinas, so I'm back and forth on HWY 68 very regularly.

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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Thu Mar 30, 2017 10:06 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
armelwani wrote:My car resides in Monterey and I work in Monterey, a VERY mild climate. Our yearly high is in the low 80s and we seldom see temperatures below freezing even in our coldest winters.

I average 4.2mi/kwh. Happy to get a picture of that at some point. This is my second Leaf, after I had a 2011 SL. I drive it very conservatively, always in B ECO, and when coasting I shift into N and let it roll along as much as possible before applying power again. I have my tires at 42psi as seen in my screenshots.

I will try and get screenshots at LBW and VLBW and post here. I don't know what the dealership is going to say today, but I'm sure I'll get it back while Nissan decides what to do. I'll update as I know more.


sounds like you are doing everything right. what is your average daily mileage? Sometimes if its too low that will depress stats but not to the point of losing bars. Right after I got mine, I went 2 weeks with very little driving with half the days at under 10 miles, charging it just a few hours every few days or so and it dropped to 98% SOH and 81.17 ahr. Due primarily to my wanting to see where the numbers would go and also a slow time at work

But when things picked up, this included several fast charges (about half the days it was 2 charges a day) and stats went back to new 100% SOH, 82.34 ahr.

I used to live in Marina so pretty familiar with the climate you have and I have to think most of the damage was done before you got the car. Another reason why I won't get a LEAF without plugging in LEAF Spy first and always select a car no more than 2 months off the factory floor. On my 2016 S 30, I got it on Veteran's Day. For the uninformed, my version started on the factory floor in Oct.



Could be that there was a batch of bad batteries in the early 2016 SV and SL models.

My Leaf SV was one of the first builds too and my battery isn't doing so well either, down to 92% SOH 26kwh 72ah with 13k miles

I think Nissan made a tweak to the batteries which explains why nobody outside of the first released 30kwh Leafs are reporting degradation issues.

armelwani
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Thu Mar 30, 2017 10:10 am

rcm4453 wrote:
Could be that there was a batch of bad batteries in the early 2016 SVs and SL models.

My Leaf SV was one of the first builds too and my battery isn't doing so well either, down to 92% SOH 26kwh 72ah with 13k miles

I think Nissan made a tweak to the batteries which explains why nobody outside of the first released 30kwh Leafs are reporting degradation issues.


Couldn't agree more. From everything I'm reading on here anyone that got a battery from factory in late 2015 on their 2016 MY has pretty severe degradation. I guess I got one of the worst considering it's only got 6500 miles and already lost a bar. Hoping that Nissan fesses up and replaces my battery so I don't have to seek legal action. Perhaps a class action lawsuit on their "new & improved" 30kwh batteries is just want they need though...

armelwani
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Re: 2016 30 kWh Battery data

Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:20 pm

Got my car back. No surprises here, they say the battery is JUST FINE!!! Completely within spec, they say. They won't replace it until 4 bars are lost or it throws a code. Just... incredible. I am absolutely dumbfounded. I will be continuing to document my battery readings here for everyone to follow the degradation, and I will be calling the EV hotline DAILY until they're so sick of me that they replace my battery.

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