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Arizona Approves Grid-Connection Fees for Solar Rooftops

Sat Nov 16, 2013 7:36 am

"Arizona will permit the state's largest utility to charge a monthly fee to customers who install photovoltaic panels on their roofs, in a closely watched hearing that drew about 1,000 protesters and may threaten the surging residential solar market. The Arizona Corporation Commission, which regulates utilities in the state, agreed in a 3-to-2 vote at a meeting [Thursday] in Phoenix that Arizona Public Service Co. may collect about $4.90 a month from customers with solar systems. Arizona Public is required to buy solar power from customers with rooftop panels, and the commission agreed with its argument that the policy unfairly shifts some of the utility's costs to people without panels."

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Re: Arizona Approves Grid-Connection Fees for Solar Rooftops

Sat Nov 16, 2013 8:49 am

I don't know, that fee seems reasonable to me. The solar folks are using the grid (which costs money to build and operate) as a form of storage battery.

The alternative is for each solar owner to put their own battery in the garage and go off-grid to avoid using the benefits of the grid, but it would cost a whole lot more than $60 per year to do that...

I really don't see how the $60 annual fee would "threaten the surging residential solar market"...

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Re: Arizona Approves Grid-Connection Fees for Solar Rooftops

Sat Nov 16, 2013 8:58 am

Randy wrote:I don't know, that fee seems reasonable to me. The solar folks are using the grid (which costs money to build and operate) as a form of storage battery.

The fee may very well be reasonable, given that the fee is nominal, but I would say that it is poor public policy at this stage. We need to encourage solar to the maximum extent possible.
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Re: Arizona Approves Grid-Connection Fees for Solar Rooftops

Sat Nov 16, 2013 10:07 am

I concur. It is the same as the EV crowd expecting and wanting free charging...

Randy wrote:I don't know, that fee seems reasonable to me. The solar folks are using the grid (which costs money to build and operate) as a form of storage battery.
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Re: Arizona Approves Grid-Connection Fees for Solar Rooftops

Sat Nov 16, 2013 10:44 am

TomT wrote:I concur. It is the same as the EV crowd expecting and wanting free charging...

Randy wrote:I don't know, that fee seems reasonable to me. The solar folks are using the grid (which costs money to build and operate) as a form of storage battery.
Me, too. I pay a "Grid Connection Fee" of $6.85 each month. It seems more than reasonable to pay this to be allowed to net meter.

So PV owners in AZ currently are paying $0/month for the grid connection?
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Re: Arizona Approves Grid-Connection Fees for Solar Rooftops

Sat Nov 16, 2013 11:03 am

I thought I read 70 cents per DC kW.
Seems fair to me although I think the first 2 or 3 kW should be no charge or some other sliding scale.
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Re: Arizona Approves Grid-Connection Fees for Solar Rooftops

Sat Nov 16, 2013 11:43 am

Randy wrote:I don't know, that fee seems reasonable to me. The solar folks are using the grid (which costs money to build and operate) as a form of storage battery.

The alternative is for each solar owner to put their own battery in the garage and go off-grid to avoid using the benefits of the grid, but it would cost a whole lot more than $60 per year to do that...

I really don't see how the $60 annual fee would "threaten the surging residential solar market"...
I agree. I pay $16/month and even that is less than the cost of providing service in this area with difficult terrain. $60 a year is a pittance compared to the cost of the power offset by a typical residential solar array. To protest such a fee seems churlish.
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Re: Arizona Approves Grid-Connection Fees for Solar Rooftops

Sat Nov 16, 2013 1:55 pm

Yeah, I'm OK with a nominal fee to net-meter. It seems that some sort of per / kWh fee exported would be fair - say $0.01 / kWh exported to the grid or something nominal like that.

Here (SDG&E) we have is a minimum meter fee, so in the sunny months we are billed at $0.17/day minimum, or about $62/year minimum.
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Re: Arizona Approves Grid-Connection Fees for Solar Rooftops

Sat Nov 16, 2013 3:54 pm

Here in San Diego Ca, SDG&E charges .17 per day, comes out to like $5.30 a month here, and x12 months around 63.00 a year. We are using their lines at night, so the fee is ok, its either that or go off grid all together. Im making money on them so I will stay connected. My overages eat the 63.00 a year from the check I get in April


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Re: Arizona Approves Grid-Connection Fees for Solar Rooftops

Sat Nov 16, 2013 5:28 pm

They should just set the buy price for electricity 10% or so lower than the retail price. That way every KWh you "store" in the grid has a cost.

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