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RegGuheert
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Dumbest excuses people have given for NOT installing PV

Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:27 am

As the prices have come down, the financial incentive for installing PV on your roof has become more-and-more compelling. Yet many people still resist. Some have very good reasons not to install PV such as "I can't", or "I'm moving next month". But I've heard some real doozies. Here are a few of the "best":

"Why would my utility want to buy electricity from me? They don't want to buy electricity from me."

"I don't spend very much on electricity each month, so it doesn't make sense to install PV."

"I know that you have had some inverters in your system die, so it doesn't make sense for me to install PV."

"I don't have the money to purchase a PV system." (This is a valid reason, but it is a bit like being too sick to go to the doctor. There are ways to address it.)
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Re: Dumbest excuses people have given for NOT installing PV

Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:56 am

"PV ? "
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Re: Dumbest excuses people have given for NOT installing PV

Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:27 pm

"I'm retiring and can't afford it." - From a region where the payments on a 7-year PV loan would have been less (with incentives) than the utility bill.
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Re: Dumbest excuses people have given for NOT installing PV

Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:19 pm

Lothsahn wrote:"I'm retiring and can't afford it." - From a region where the payments on a 7-year PV loan would have been less (with incentives) than the utility bill.
If only I had a dollar for every time I heard that one.
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Re: Dumbest excuses people have given for NOT installing PV

Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:27 pm

Not all reasons are dumb. We have a slate roof and a narrow yard. I tried to get utility solar installed and was refused by several companies. My housemate, who co-owns the house, wouldn't spring for an array in the yard even if it would fit. And fortunately, the hydro plant (on an old dam) that supplies our power, is 3/4 of a mile away. So we don't have solar other than our solar hot air panel.
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Re: Dumbest excuses people have given for NOT installing PV

Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:36 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:Not all reasons are dumb.
No, they aren't, and I said exactly that in the OP:
RegGuheert wrote:Some have very good reasons not to install PV such as "I can't", or "I'm moving next month".
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Re: Dumbest excuses people have given for NOT installing PV

Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:55 pm

Here's mine....I haven't gotten around to it yet. I need to remove 2 gables on the roof and that has to wait for me to finish the bathroom remodel. Oh...and I'm updating the breaker box before doing the solar install.

But - I am committed to getting as many panels as our local utility will allow before the end of 2019. I'm even thinking of buying a new Leaf so that I can claim the additional power consumption. Right now I'll be limited to a 3-4 kW system but I'm pretty sure the roof can handle more than that.

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Re: Dumbest excuses people have given for NOT installing PV

Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:11 pm

goldbrick wrote:Here's mine....I haven't gotten around to it yet.
What's wrong with that?! It's one of my favorite excuses!
goldbrick wrote:I need to remove 2 gables on the roof and that has to wait for me to finish the bathroom remodel.
The roof where I installed my PV panels has a fake gable. I left it there because I was unwilling to tackle the project and because it looks kinda purdy. But it takes the space of about 5 PV panels that could have been up there producing for the past 8 years. :x
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Re: Dumbest excuses people have given for NOT installing PV

Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:31 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:Not all reasons are dumb.
This. I looked into solar last year when the roof was re-done, and the payoff (even at CA electricity rates) would take over 10 years. If I planned to live here a long time I would do it, but I'm likely only going to stay another 5, or less. And I'm uncertain how much of my investment will be reflected in the selling price.
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Re: Dumbest excuses people have given for NOT installing PV

Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:49 pm

RegGuheert wrote:The roof where I installed my PV panels has a fake gable. I left it there because I was unwilling to tackle the project and because it looks kinda purdy. But it takes the space of about 5 PV panels that could have been up there producing for the past 8 years. :x
Mine are really fugly and the soffit is rotting because of them. They don't take up a lot of space but it will be much easier to remove them before installing the panels than the other way around.

BTW, I've learned a lot from your posts here. Thanks for the info. I'm still undecided whether to use micro-inverters or power-optimizers. The roof is only so big and I think when it's full I could get by with 1 string inverter so that is still an option I'm considering.

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