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Re: Dealer with a Consciousness

Fri Aug 29, 2014 9:26 am

greengate wrote:...Why would anyone choose to buy a Leaf from any other dealer?
... a cheaper offer?

(I'm not a qualified psychologist, it's just a wild shot in the dark!)

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Re: Dealer with a Consciousness

Fri Aug 29, 2014 10:05 am

False conclusion. A car dealer pays for advertising and promotion through various means to get more business they they have a conscious? Perhaps if they supported charging and did not put their name on it. Supported funding to public charging without the ads. This is not to say they have a conscious but when it comes to car dealers that is a bit of a laugh. It's like saying BP cares about the Gulf because of all the propaganda they put on TV.

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Re: Dealer with a Consciousness

Fri Aug 29, 2014 10:10 am

What are we talking about here? ;) :

conscious - aware of one's own existence, sensations, thoughts, surroundings

conscience - the inner sense of what is right or wrong in one's conduct or motives, impelling one toward right action
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Re: Dealer with a Consciousness

Fri Aug 29, 2014 10:13 am

Stoaty wrote:What are we talking about here?

As opposed to a dealer who lacks consciousness.

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Re: Dealer with a Consciousness

Fri Aug 29, 2014 10:49 am

The fact that we have to question peoples motives for going green is actually is a good thing. In fact, I think it's BETTER when people go green for reasons other than going green. It means you have a truly marketable product for the masses. When a greedy business installs an EVSE for the sole reason that it might make them more money, we should look at that as a bigger victory than them doing it because of environmental reasons.

And by the way, I think billboards are perhaps the best business model for paid EVSEs. No offense, but we aren't going to make the electrification of the automobile a success through any other method than capitalism. :twisted: That doesn't mean I don't think there's also room for the communist approach, like PlugShare.
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Re: Dealer with a Consciousness

Fri Aug 29, 2014 1:20 pm

+1^

Between those who want to make money, and those who want to save money, we may save this planet yet.
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Re: Dealer with a Consciousness

Fri Aug 29, 2014 1:34 pm

'The planet' is not remotely in danger from us, or in need of saving. *We* are in danger and need saving - from us. A few 10's of thousand years after we die out, our impact will be unrecognisable, but it is moot anyway as there will be no one to observe that.

Money is the commoditisation of progress. If we do not progress we might as well go back to living off the forests, hunter-gatherers and all that. Some in the 'green movements' actually appear to say that would be best for us.

Technological human life on the planet intrinsically degrades the natural order of things, eg the resources, the inter species balances, habitats, etc..

It is nonsense to believe that any steps we take are 'sustainable'. All they do is 'extend' our time on this planet, not make it sustainable. We just use resources at a slower pace so there will be more generations of us before we end up back in the stone age.

Don't go getting fanciful ideas about what 'being green' means! Technologically based human life is unsustainable on this planet, but we can extend our time here, and make it cleaner while we're here, by several fold if we're careful and not too stupid.

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Re: Dealer with a Consciousness

Fri Aug 29, 2014 3:57 pm

donald wrote:'The planet' is not remotely in danger from us, or in need of saving. *We* are in danger and need saving - from us. A few 10's of thousand years after we die out, our impact will be unrecognisable, but it is moot anyway as there will be no one to observe that.

Money is the commoditisation of progress. If we do not progress we might as well go back to living off the forests, hunter-gatherers and all that. Some in the 'green movements' actually appear to say that would be best for us.

Technological human life on the planet intrinsically degrades the natural order of things, eg the resources, the inter species balances, habitats, etc..

It is nonsense to believe that any steps we take are 'sustainable'. All they do is 'extend' our time on this planet, not make it sustainable. We just use resources at a slower pace so there will be more generations of us before we end up back in the stone age.

Don't go getting fanciful ideas about what 'being green' means! Technologically based human life is unsustainable on this planet, but we can extend our time here, and make it cleaner while we're here, by several fold if we're careful and not too stupid.



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Re: Dealer with a Consciousness

Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:09 am

greengate wrote:+1
+2 Well said, donald.
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Re: Dealer with a Consciousness

Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:05 am

dgpcolorado wrote:
greengate wrote:+1
+2 Well said, donald.


+3 yes, well said donald. But I didn't mean to open a door that goes off topic, sorry. If Autobarn Evanston and other dealers install stations as advertising, helping to "make it cleaner while we're here" surely that's not a bad thing?

But if you really want to go OT . . . Since the sun's demise several billion years from now will consume Earth anyway, is the end of our species such a big deal? Of course, we may yet spread out of this solar system, and our descendents could become increasingly cyborg, even downloading our minds into AI platforms, but I don't think you can blame Autobarn Evanston for that.
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