jgrode1
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Minnesota Leafs?

Sun May 23, 2010 9:35 am

Any takes on the Leaf in colder climates?

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Re: Minnesota Leafs?

Sun May 23, 2010 9:57 am

Not as bad as you, but I'd say Nebraska qualifies as a "cold climate". Will be interested to see how the Leaf performs at sub-zero temps (not to mention -30 wind chills). I thought I read somewhere the Leaf has to "warm up" at low temps before you can drive it. Anyone else read that?

I also wonder how much impact snow tires will have on range... would imagine there will be some hit, but how much?

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Re: Minnesota Leafs?

Sun May 23, 2010 10:02 am

I think if the car is garaged and heated before driving, you should get a decent range. Leafs will do better in hot climates than cold ones, though.
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Re: Minnesota Leafs?

Sun May 23, 2010 10:35 am

"Pushing" through snow could create substantial "drag" (rolling resistance).

Going upwind against a 70-mph wind will be even worse. But, on the downwind leg ... open the rear hatch as a sail ... and watch those "little trees" grow on the instrument panel!
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Re: Minnesota Leafs?

Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:12 pm

My garage is attached but unheated and uninsulated. Still better than letting a vehicle sit outside overnight.

Wish we had a clue when the rest of us can expect LEAF delivery schedules. Perhaps the promised "next steps" email due out on June 30 will have some info?
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Re: Minnesota Leafs?

Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:05 am

Pipemajor wrote:Wish we had a clue when the rest of us can expect LEAF delivery schedules. Perhaps the promised "next steps" email due out on June 30 will have some info?


From what I remember Nissan wants to rollout to rest of the country before the end of 2011 - with a couple of states being added every month. The rollout will depend on the enthusiasm of potential buyers (pre-orders, I guess) and the state/city governments and utilities.

Though people just talk about EVSE install - what Nissan is trying to do with the install is to get needed local permits as well. The installer will get that done. Nissan is talking to all the utilities and city governments and asking them to streamine permit process (or start having a process if they don't have any already). With Mini-E rollout this was the biggest problem ...
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Re: Minnesota Leafs?

Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:32 am

I've already contacted my state rep saying Minnesota needs to get on the EV bandwagon. I'm fortunate the rep from my district is very supportive of clean energy and viable transportation. She noted she had already introduced legislation to promote clean transportation opportunities.
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Re: Minnesota Leafs?

Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:33 am

I am just hoping that my KIA RIO can last another year by the sounds of it. After looking at the Leaf, it is really hard to drive that beast. Maybe I hand it off to my kid and take the bus for a while til next year?
Winter in MN gets to me more and more as I get older. How bad can the cold be on an EV? Could they heat the batteries with the 12 volt backup battery? I am hoping to only charge at night(insulated, not heated garage) as my commute is only 20 miles one way.

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Re: Minnesota Leafs?

Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:55 am

Your commute sounds OK, even in winter, at least for all but the worst cold temperatures.

Putting a standard household (120v AC) heating pad under the rear seat (on the metal battery box, if possible) might keep the battery pack just a bit warmer for those really-cold nights (or days)?
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Re: Minnesota Leafs?

Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:57 am

Because of waste heat inherent in the charging process ... the battery would get "warm" even during a very (not extreme) cold night. If charge completion is timed well -- just before you leave -- you'll be helping your range :P ( Not sure what the specs are and whether the BMS would refuse to charge the battery on an extreme cold night ... or day at the office for that matter ! )
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