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MA Clean Vehicle Project - $50k QC Deployment Awards

Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:57 am

I've received an update from the MA DOER on the upcoming deployment of DCQC across the state.

Follow the link in this email to the first RFQ for applications for up to $50k reimbursement for QC installs. There's a lot of red tape and hoops to jump, but if you know of a firm or municipality that might be interested, please forward the link. The plan is for dual SAE Combo/CHAdeMO stations to be publically available for 15 years, lots more details in the link. A $50k award should help the business model get started.

The other 12 Linda mentions are Nissan donations I believe, not sure if they'll have combo, but every Pike rest stop should be covered. The map at the end of the pdf shows the preferred sites.
Here's the email:

Still doing site planning and load calculations for 12 FC to be located at highway rest areas and a request for proposals is out for 8 more:

http://www.mass.gov/eea/docs/doer/procu ... 15-013.pdf

2015 is the year!

Linda J. Benevides
MA Executive Office of Energy and Environmental Affairs
100 Cambridge Street Suite 900
Boston, MA 02114
(617) 626-1197
(617) 626-1181 (fax)
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Re: MA Clean Vehicle Project - $50k QC Deployment Awards

Mon Nov 10, 2014 1:48 pm

According to Linda, no donations materialized, the 12 at DOT sites will be funded by the DOER and will also be dual SAE Combo/CHAdeMO units.
'12 SL last reading @ 2 yr, 22k, 260 GIDs, 62.35 Ahr

'15 SV w/QC, Mfd 5/14, Leased 8/14, 292 GIDs, 64.38 Ahr when new
@ 36 months, 34k, 270 GID, 57.49 Ahr

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Re: MA Clean Vehicle Project - $50k QC Deployment Awards

Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:37 pm

Hmm...

Will believe them when they are there. I wonder what payment networks will be used - hope they can be done such that they are utilized yet reasonably profitable for whoever owns them so they will be maintained etc.

I could see using that one that appears to be on the Mass Pike between 495 and 128 if it is accessible. We have a once-weekly trip that goes past there that is right on the edge of our range during warm weather - expect a 'small boost' in winter may make it workable then too....

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Re: MA Clean Vehicle Project - $50k QC Deployment Awards

Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:54 pm

I hear ya. The state takes sooo long to get it done, but they are progressing. The 12 DOT site should be done next year, that's all the rest areas on the Pike for starters. The 8 award winners have a year from approval to install.
'12 SL last reading @ 2 yr, 22k, 260 GIDs, 62.35 Ahr

'15 SV w/QC, Mfd 5/14, Leased 8/14, 292 GIDs, 64.38 Ahr when new
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Re: MA Clean Vehicle Project - $50k QC Deployment Awards

Mon Nov 10, 2014 6:17 pm

$50K seems pretty generous. What does it cost to install a fast charger?

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Re: MA Clean Vehicle Project - $50k QC Deployment Awards

Mon Nov 10, 2014 6:50 pm

Any word on cost to use those pike rest area locations?

I wonder if perhaps the Pike locations are least likely to be blocked by someone charging for hours on end (unless an employee of the rest stop uses it). Not really the sort of place many like to hang out - and paying a toll to get there may deter things (pay $3 in tolls to save $2 in electric costs....).

When it comes to public charging infrastructure, I really do believe that DCFCs are the way to go. IF reliable they can extend the range of BEVs quite a bit with minimal inconvenience.
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Re: MA Clean Vehicle Project - $50k QC Deployment Awards

Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:43 pm

Graycenphil wrote:$50K seems pretty generous. What does it cost to install a fast charger?


Should cover most of it I imagine.
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'15 SV w/QC, Mfd 5/14, Leased 8/14, 292 GIDs, 64.38 Ahr when new
@ 36 months, 34k, 270 GID, 57.49 Ahr

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Re: MA Clean Vehicle Project - $50k QC Deployment Awards

Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:52 pm

Slow1 wrote:Any word on cost to use those pike rest area locations?


Don't know, but I'll ask. FWIW, the one at UMass Amherst charges $5/hr, prorated by the second, $1 minimum, but one at Big Y Market in Greenfield is free, so who knows? I'll ask Linda, but it may be too early to tell yet.
'12 SL last reading @ 2 yr, 22k, 260 GIDs, 62.35 Ahr

'15 SV w/QC, Mfd 5/14, Leased 8/14, 292 GIDs, 64.38 Ahr when new
@ 36 months, 34k, 270 GID, 57.49 Ahr

'17 Bolt LT



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Re: MA Clean Vehicle Project - $50k QC Deployment Awards

Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:35 pm

I would hazard to guess it may depend on who owns the stations and their individual motivation for providing the service. I wonder who is the 'owner' of the pike rest areas and why they would provide the power etc.

In any case I'm happy to see them. I'd be glad to pay a fair (even slightly premium) rate to use one that is well placed for me (convenient, reliable, accessible). Key here being the reliably factor - if blocked/broken/fully utilized the value falls very quickly as I don't see using one unless I had to - and if it isn't really there for me I'm in trouble! I hope that reality is part of the installation/maintenance plan for these units.
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Re: MA Clean Vehicle Project - $50k QC Deployment Awards

Wed Nov 12, 2014 3:14 pm

No reply on possible price structures. Probably too early for that, but I think a reasonable cost, similar to UMass would help with maintenance. I have raised all the usual issue with them, and I'm told maintenance service is part of the contract language. I believe MADOT operates the rest areas. The state is motivated to reduce emissions and put more evs on the road. Feel free to contact Linda with comments or questions. The more feedback she gets, the better our odds of getting usable stations.
'12 SL last reading @ 2 yr, 22k, 260 GIDs, 62.35 Ahr

'15 SV w/QC, Mfd 5/14, Leased 8/14, 292 GIDs, 64.38 Ahr when new
@ 36 months, 34k, 270 GID, 57.49 Ahr

'17 Bolt LT



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