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keydiver
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Re: Florida

Tue Feb 17, 2015 12:36 pm

I spoke to JupiterLeaf a couple weeks ago, and his battery had just dropped to 8 bars that weekend. His lease runs out in March, so he was unsure what he wanted to do about it. He would like to hold out for a 2016 Volt. IIRC, they gave him a buyout of $11,000, so I suggested that he insist they install a new pack now, buy the car for $11,000, and then sell it with the new pack when he is ready to buy a Volt later. My thinking is that he may actually make money, since it will have a brand new 2015 Lizard battery pack.
My pack is now at 75% with 33,000 miles, so I have quite a way to go yet. I'm trying to drive it at every opportunity, instead of falling back on the ultra-reliable Prius, but I have to charge to 100% almost every day now.
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JupiterLEAF
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Re: Florida

Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:50 pm

Yes, my Leaf's battery capacity dropped to 8 bars around January 28th at approximately 31,250 miles. I knew capacity was declining because I had been having increasing trouble for several months making the 52 miles round-trip from home to work, often using US 1 instead of I-95 (slower speed), opening a window instead of enjoying the AC, and occasionally recharging briefly at Wallace Nissan in Stuart. Nevertheless, 8 bars was quite a shock because the gauge still showed 9 bars when I had the car inspected and serviced just a week before.

My initial reaction was to merely return the car when my lease expires on March 8th and continue looking for an alternative EV to lease for the next 2-3 years, even though Nissan had sent me an offer to reduce the lease-end-buyout by $5,000. However, Keydiver happened to call January 30th and ask about my Leaf's battery capacity because we were the #1 and #2 Leafs sold or leased by Wallace Nissan in December, 2011, and he knew about my daily I-95 commute. He reminded me about the Nissan warranty replacement program for main battery assemblies showing less than 9 bars capacity.

The following Monday, I called Wallace Nissan and asserted a warranty claim. On February 9th, I took the car in to be tested. A half-day of tests and telephone calls between the dealer and Nissan corporate confirmed the situation and my entitlement to a replacement main battery assembly. I also met with a salesperson who discovered when she called NMAC to confirm the lease-end-buyout reduction offer that the amount had been increased on February 1st to $6,000!

Two days ago, I left my Leaf at Wallace Nissan and was given a loaner to use. Today, I had my car returned to me with a new main battery assembly installed at no cost to me whatsoever. It was beautiful seeing 12 bars of capacity and over 100 miles estimated range again. I did see the replacement battery assembly before installation and it looked new, so I believe that I've gotten the 2015 "lizard" battery assembly and not a refurbished older model. Wallace Nissan tried to confirm that would be what they'd receive to install, but said they were unable to get anyone to assure them it would be "new."

My compliments to Joe Dayton, Service Manager for Wallace Nissan, for his efforts throughout this process. This was their first replacement, so I don't begrudge them taking 3 days to be sure they did it right. He was cordial and informative at all times. He definitely helped make the whole experience be as painless as possible.

And finally, tomorrow I will accept Nissan's latest lease-end-buyout offer and purchase my Leaf. As Spike09 said about his Leaf a week ago, "the car still drives like new after 3 years." With the new tires I had installed 8 months ago (Ecopias again, from Costco) and the recent detailing I had done to prepare for the end-of-lease inspection (which never happened), the car almost feels new again, too.
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spike09
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Re: Florida

Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:31 pm

JupiterLEAF wrote:Yes, my Leaf's battery capacity dropped to 8 bars around January 28th at approximately 31,250 miles. I knew capacity was declining because I had been having increasing trouble for several months making the 52 miles round-trip from home to work, often using US 1 instead of I-95 (slower speed), opening a window instead of enjoying the AC, and occasionally recharging briefly at Wallace Nissan in Stuart. Nevertheless, 8 bars was quite a shock because the gauge still showed 9 bars when I had the car inspected and serviced just a week before.

My initial reaction was to merely return the car when my lease expires on March 8th and continue looking for an alternative EV to lease for the next 2-3 years, even though Nissan had sent me an offer to reduce the lease-end-buyout by $5,000. However, Keydiver happened to call January 30th and ask about my Leaf's battery capacity because we were the #1 and #2 Leafs sold or leased by Wallace Nissan in December, 2011, and he knew about my daily I-95 commute. He reminded me about the Nissan warranty replacement program for main battery assemblies showing less than 9 bars capacity.

The following Monday, I called Wallace Nissan and asserted a warranty claim. On February 9th, I took the car in to be tested. A half-day of tests and telephone calls between the dealer and Nissan corporate confirmed the situation and my entitlement to a replacement main battery assembly. I also met with a salesperson who discovered when she called NMAC to confirm the lease-end-buyout reduction offer that the amount had been increased on February 1st to $6,000!

Two days ago, I left my Leaf at Wallace Nissan and was given a loaner to use. Today, I had my car returned to me with a new main battery assembly installed at no cost to me whatsoever. It was beautiful seeing 12 bars of capacity and over 100 miles estimated range again. I did see the replacement battery assembly before installation and it looked new, so I believe that I've gotten the 2015 "lizard" battery assembly and not a refurbished older model. Wallace Nissan tried to confirm that would be what they'd receive to install, but said they were unable to get anyone to assure them it would be "new."

My compliments to Joe Dayton, Service Manager for Wallace Nissan, for his efforts throughout this process. This was their first replacement, so I don't begrudge them taking 3 days to be sure they did it right. He was cordial and informative at all times. He definitely helped make the whole experience be as painless as possible.

And finally, tomorrow I will accept Nissan's latest lease-end-buyout offer and purchase my Leaf. As Spike09 said about his Leaf a week ago, "the car still drives like new after 3 years." With the new tires I had installed 8 months ago (Ecopias again, from Costco) and the recent detailing I had done to prepare for the end-of-lease inspection (which never happened), the car almost feels new again, too.

Does your service invoice include the bracket needed to fit a 2015 battery into a 2012 Leaf?
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JupiterLEAF
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Re: Florida

Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:49 pm

Spike09, yes, it does. Keydiver's call led me to do some research on the Nissan warranty, through which I learned about the need for the special bracket package to retrofit a 2012 Leaf for a 2015 main battery assembly. Service Manager Joe Dayton and I spoke often about it, to be sure the whole replacement process wasn't delayed by that.
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keydiver
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Re: Florida

Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:27 pm

I'm glad to hear that you went through with the battery replacement! I'm glad that you have now plowed the way with Joe for me, as he told me that he hadn't done any battery replacements yet. But, what does your wife now think of the Leaf, and what are your longterm plans for it? :)
I still have one more hot summer to deal with the degradation. 8 bars can't come fast enough for me. :(
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JupiterLEAF
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Re: Florida

Fri Feb 27, 2015 4:23 pm

My wife thinks the Leaf is great --- for me on a daily basis and for both of us when I'm driving. However, she really dislikes it when we have to swap so I can use her ICE vehicle (a Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland, which admittedly is also fun to drive).

We both think I got a good deal overall. I plan to keep the 2012 for a couple of years while monitoring EV developments like the Volt 2.0, the Bolt, an extended range LEAF, and whatever Tesla eventually manufactures to sell for less than $80k.
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keydiver
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Re: Florida

Fri Feb 27, 2015 9:00 pm

So, the buyout ended up at only $10,000? :shock: Have you ever totaled up your lease payments + down payment? I probably don't even want to think about how it compares to my cash purchase. Even after the $7500 tax credit, after 3 years my car has depreciated $24,500. :cry: It looks like leasing was the smart choice. Its nice to know though that I'll still see your Leaf around Jupiter for quite a while. :)
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JupiterLEAF
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Re: Florida

Sat Feb 28, 2015 1:23 am

Here is what the replacement battery assembly looks like when it's delivered in a wooden box to the dealer.

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What you see is now in the red LEAF in the upper right corner of the photo.
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shappy
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Location: Boynton Beach, FL

Re: Florida

Fri Mar 06, 2015 10:55 am

I am going to post this here instead of making a new thread, hopefully I get some good responses.

I am seriously considering getting an EV by the end of this year. The Leaf is one vehicle I am considering. It will be a lease and I drive about 6K miles/year.

How does the Leaf hold up in the heat of a south Florida summer? How well does the AC work?

Thanks!

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Re: Florida

Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:55 am

shappy wrote:How does the Leaf hold up in the heat of a south Florida summer? How well does the AC work?

Thanks!


The original batteries (from model years 2011 through 2014) degrade extremely fast in the heat. Easily a 20% loss in capacity within the first two years with many batteries reaching end-of-life (more than 30% loss) by the end of the third year.

It has yet to be confirmed whether the 2015 and later model batteries represent much improvement.

The AC performs very well.
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