Weatherman
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Re: Florida

Tue Sep 23, 2014 12:58 pm

Very good. In that case, I'd just wait for the BMS to reset and take it to another dealer. Hopefully, it will reset. Drive it down below LBW several times and see how many miles you get. It shouldn't take long for the BMS to adjust.


Very annoying, but, again, not very surprising. I suspect, with the flood of Florida LEAF battery replacements coming over the next twelve months, some dealers are going to play tricks to avoid the hassle.
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mirko
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Delivery Date: 22 Apr 2012
Leaf Number: 18088
Location: Jupiter, FL

Re: Florida

Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:05 pm

Weatherman wrote:Very good. In that case, I'd just wait for the BMS to reset and take it to another dealer. Hopefully, it will reset. Drive it down below LBW several times and see how many miles you get. It shouldn't take long for the BMS to adjust.


Very annoying, but, again, not very surprising. I suspect, with the flood of Florida LEAF battery replacements coming over the next twelve months, some dealers are going to play tricks to avoid the hassle.


What hassle? They get paid by Nissan to replace the battery. I would think the dealership would want that.

As it stands right now, I can no longer use the car for my 63.5 mile commute. My wife drives the LEAF now since she has a short commute and I've had to start going back to the gas station, and pay more money for my daily commute. So for me it's more than just a hassle. It's costing me real money.

I recall reading where TickTock had his cap bars reset and it took SIX months before they were back to normal.
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Weatherman
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Re: Florida

Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:14 pm

Welcome to the club.

Anyone who claims that a LEAF has a low total-cost-of-ownership is not an early adopter in a warm-climate area. I've wasted more time, money and effort with the LEAF than any other car I've owned in my life. Three years into this money-draining experiment and I still have nine months left to go.
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BrainDonor
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Leaf Number: 15727
Location: Lake Worth, FL

Re: Florida

Wed Oct 15, 2014 5:48 am

Hello everyone. I just caught up with reading this thread since I have not been monitoring it for a few months. Yesterday was an eventful day - the LEAF turned over 40K miles and we also lost the 4th bar! For reference, the 3rd bar was lost in May at 34.5K miles. I have the LEAF Stat app and the battery health section shows a SOH of 65.25% capacity and 43.23 Ahr.

The lease expires at the end of November and we'll have about 5K in miles overage, which translates to a $750 penalty. I'm also looking at about $400 to fix a dent in the back and will need to get at least 2 new tires in the front. Then there's the $300 early termination fee. So it will probably cost us $750+$400+$250+$300=$1,700 at lease end.

I have not checked with the dealer yet to see what our options are. I'd prefer to lease a MY2015 with (much) lower monthly payments. However, due to the extra costs at the end of our lease, I'm beginning to think whether it would be worth buying the current LEAF if Nissan replaces the battery with the more heat resistant ones.

Any thoughts before I contact the dealer?
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LTLFTcomposite
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Delivery Date: 10 Dec 2011
Leaf Number: 5926
Location: Boca Raton FL

Re: Florida

Wed Oct 15, 2014 6:21 am

BrainDonor wrote:Hello everyone. I just caught up with reading this thread since I have not been monitoring it for a few months. Yesterday was an eventful day - the LEAF turned over 40K miles and we also lost the 4th bar! For reference, the 3rd bar was lost in May at 34.5K miles. I have the LEAF Stat app and the battery health section shows a SOH of 65.25% capacity and 43.23 Ahr.

The lease expires at the end of November and we'll have about 5K in miles overage, which translates to a $750 penalty. I'm also looking at about $400 to fix a dent in the back and will need to get at least 2 new tires in the front. Then there's the $300 early termination fee. So it will probably cost us $750+$400+$250+$300=$1,700 at lease end.

I have not checked with the dealer yet to see what our options are. I'd prefer to lease a MY2015 with (much) lower monthly payments. However, due to the extra costs at the end of our lease, I'm beginning to think whether it would be worth buying the current LEAF if Nissan replaces the battery with the more heat resistant ones.

Any thoughts before I contact the dealer?

I've been looking into this. If you buy or lease another Nissan they will waive the lease termination fee and up to $500 of "excess" wear. I'm considering taking advantage of this in the hopes the $500 will cover the tires that are getting thin. Note that the lease termination fee (can't remember if it is $300 or $395) applies at the end of the lease too, it isn't an "early termination" fee. They confirmed as long as you make the remaining payments you can turn the car in early. You can get the inspection now, that will tell you how much they plan to ding you for on the condition, then have about 60 days after you return the lease or buy another one. Of course most people can't live without a car, or at least think they can't, so they will want to get the new one at the time they turn the old one in.

I think the overall best play from a financial standpoint is to buy a new Sentra in the Orlando area. That gets you out of the lease obligations and into a cheap car that you can drive as far as you want, spill coffee on the seats, drive on bald tires and bang into shopping carts to your heart's content. Payments on that would be about $380/mo for three years and you own it.

Another option is it buy another leaf. Buying a 2015 base model with the incentives looks like about $680/mo, then factor out about $200/mo for the federal tax credit, leaves you at $480/mo, similar to what we were paying, but at the end of three years you own it, rather than having to start all over again and having to put new tires on a car you are giving back to Nissan.

So buying a Sentra or buying a Leaf works out about the same for the first three years, the extra $100/mo on the Leaf is about what the Sentra would cost in gas over electric. If the new lizard battery holds enough capacity to keep doing what you need for a few years after the $100 or so monthly gas savings could move you into the win column. Costly mystery repairs on the Leaf become the wild card then.

Leasing a leaf again looks the cheapest per month thing to do in the short run. If you can negotiate the loyalty cash and VPP or whatever to cover the down payment and inception nonsense, maybe get into another one for around $200/mo, but this prolongs the indentured servitude to Nissan with everything that comes with leasing.
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LTLFTcomposite
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Re: Florida

Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:03 pm

On a purchase should sales tax be computed on the amount before or after the $3500 NMAC cash and $1000 LEAF loyalty is deducted?
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Location: Jacksonville FL.

Re: Florida

Mon Nov 17, 2014 3:33 pm

LTLFTcomposite wrote:On a purchase should sales tax be computed on the amount before or after the $3500 NMAC cash and $1000 LEAF loyalty is deducted?

the answer still is the tax shouldn't be computed until AFTER you agree upon a FINAL price
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SB 864 - FL Sales Tax Exemption Proposed for EV & Hydrogen-P

Tue Feb 17, 2015 8:10 am

FL Senate Bill 864, filed by FL Senator Darren Soto, D-Orlando on 2/12/15, would exempt electric and hydrogen-powered vehicles from the FL sales tax effective July 1, 2015. Suggest the people on this forum start tracking and making others aware of the bill. That would be amazing if it passed and was signed into law.

Here's the link to the bill:
http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2015/0864/

Here's the applicable language:
Electric and hydrogen vehicles.—The sale of an electric vehicle or a hydrogen vehicle is exempt from the tax imposed by this chapter. As used in this paragraph, the term “electric vehicle” means a motor vehicle that is powered solely by electricity produced by rechargeable storage batteries, and the term “hydrogen vehicle” means a motor vehicle that is powered solely by hydrogen used in a fuel cell or an internal combustion engine. This paragraph expires June 30, 2020.

Section 2. This act shall take effect July 1, 2015


Email Sen. Soto thanking him and offering support for SB864 by clicking this link and selecting the Email this Senator button on the left.
http://www.flsenate.gov/Senators/S14

Weatherman
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Re: Florida

Tue Feb 17, 2015 8:23 am

Too bad it only applies to exclusively battery-powered cars. Excludes the Volt from the mix.

The LEAF is a terrible choice, given the rapid battery degradation, but I'm sure wealthy Tesla buyers would love the tax break.

Perhaps it might help Bolt sales, if GM decides to sell the car in Florida.
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Re: Florida

Tue Feb 17, 2015 12:23 pm

My Battery Capacity finally dropped to 8 bars after 34 months and 25K miles. My commute is 25 miles round trip so I waited over a month before taking it to the dealer. Bill Siedle Nissan swapped my battery pack with a brand new battery pack for Zero dollars out of my pocket. They gave me a Nissan Versa as a free loaner while my LEAF was in the shop.

It was Bill Siedles first battery swap so of course it took longer than expected. They sent the battery report to Nissan the very first day but it took a couple of weeks for Nissan to approve the battery swap and ship the new pack to the dealer.

The dealer also had to order a bracket to make the 2015 battery pack fit into a 2012 LEAF. I had read about how this bracket had to be ordered separately but I forgot about it by the time I dropped off my car.

It took over a week after the batteries were installed for my car to communicate with the new battery pack. This was right around Christmas and New Years so all the Nissan techs who knew how to fix this problem were on vacation!

I got my LEAF back exactly one month after dropping it off :roll:. My LEAFDD meter showed 100.16% Health and 276 GIDS after my first full charge. It has now been over a month on my new batteries and Health has dropped to 94.90% but I still get 278~274 Max GIDS. I am charging to 100% just like on the old pack but this time I charge up the batteries every night.

Thank you Nissan. It feels great to be back to full capacity. The car still drives like new after 3 years :D .

Although I never had an issue with the LEAF range to begin with, I do hope the next LEAF delivers on the 200+ miles promise.
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