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Re: NC Leaf Owners

Fri Oct 18, 2013 6:17 am

lpickup wrote:
Pholz wrote:It's a shame they aren't spread out a little further apart, say along the Interstates. Then they would be useful for trips. I can pretty much get anywhere in the Triangle I want. It would be nice to be able to do a road trip / beach trip though.


Yes, and no.

While it's a dream of mine to take my LEAF down to Charlotte (from Raleigh) to visit my sons at some point before they graduate from UNC-Charlotte, that's not really what the LEAF was meant for. It would take at least 3 stops (probably 4) at DC FC to make that journey, adding at least 1.5 hours to a 2.5 hour trip just doesn't make sense, other than as a gimmick trip. Having said that, having DC FC halfway (or even better at thirds) between the Triangle and Triad, and the Triad and Charlotte would make more sense for those corridors where travelers would only have to make one stop.

Those kind of charging stations start to make a little more sense when you've got vehicles with 200 mile ranges because at that point they start being strictly commuter vehicles and start to be useful for longer trips.
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Additionally I think it would open up the market to a new class of drivers that have more than occasional times when they need >70 miles of range. While I still firmly believe that the majority of people are fine at the 40 mile level, there still are many whose driving patterns have regular needs above that level.

Hey Lance. I agree with your basic point that the Leaf is not meant for long drives.

However, you can go farther if you try. The hardest part is slowing down. The Leaf can go quite far if you drive slowly. We drove to Southern Pines, 83 miles on one charge, but kept the speed between 45-50. Avoided any high speed roads. We got to the Nissan dealership with almost 20 miles of range left. If we would have gone faster, we'd have to stop to charge at Sanford and it would have taken us longer to get there. YMMV. We have a 2013 which does better on regen and is "only" degraded down to 92% capacity.

You could go Raleigh to Asheboro Nissan, 75 miles, do a quick charge, its then 71 miles to downtown Charlotte. If you're going somewhere on this side of town its closer. If its much farther, you'd need to stop for another charge for a few minutes. I use Google maps telling it to avoid expressways.

Pholz wrote:I can pretty much get anywhere in the Triangle I want. It would be nice to be able to do a road trip / beach trip though.

I'd love to do a beach trip. We go to Atlantic beach. I researched it and it can be done, but with unrealistically long charge times along the way. If there were quick charge stations then we could do it.
Raleigh to Goldboro Nissan 63 miles.
Goldsboro to New Bern Nissan 76 miles. Worst part for this leg is that you really need more than 80% charge and even a quick charger would take longer.
New Bern to Atlantic beach, 33 miles.

As a disclaimer... I don't necessarily encourage folks to go that far on a charge without being very careful of range. Elevation change could be a determining factor as well as traffic, overall driving style, AC use etc.

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Re: NC Leaf Owners

Fri Oct 18, 2013 2:36 pm

dm33 wrote:You could go Raleigh to Asheboro Nissan, 75 miles, do a quick charge, its then 71 miles to downtown Charlotte. If you're going somewhere on this side of town its closer.


I'm on the far north side of Raleigh (let's just call it Wake Forest), so the route going through Asheboro is not really feasible. Going over to Durham via 98 and then taking 70 and 29 would be logical route for me. I figure I'd need to stop near Burlington, and then in Lexington, at a minimum. But more realistic would be something closer to Mebane, then High Point, then Salisbury so I could do it on 80% charges (except the first which would be 100%). And that's in 2013 with 11 capacity bars. By the time we get DC FC on the highways here, I'll probably need even one more stop to make the trip.

Yes, trips like these ARE possible. But even with quick charge, I wouldn't recommend it. Simply not worth the hassle. It would be cool to try it once just to say you did it, but if I was taking that trip regularly enough to warrant DC FC stations along the way, it would get old really soon.
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Re: NC Leaf Owners

Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:33 am

Has anyone confirmed the DC fastcharge outside Charlotte? I just saw the indicator in Plugshare. Might be NC's first publicly available!
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Re: NC Leaf Owners

Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:57 am

harryjpowell wrote:Has anyone confirmed the DC fastcharge outside Charlotte? I just saw the indicator in Plugshare. Might be NC's first publicly available!


I saw that...you missed the one at Leith Nissan...it's been up and down (due to permitting issues I believe) and in and out of plugshare over the past few weeks. It was successfully used on 12/31 and then again earlier this month, but it's also been reported offline due to said "permitting" issues in the intervening times. I can't say that that was the first, since who knows when the Salisbury came online (or whether it even really is online--while I do trust plugshare, it's not 100% reliable).

Also technically speaking, the first publicly available DC FC in NC was the Burlington Tesla superchargers. What we are talking about here would technically be the first publicly available CHAdeMO DC FC in NC.
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Re: NC Leaf Owners

Thu Jan 16, 2014 10:20 am

BTW, I have done some mileage and route estimates. Between the Leith Nissan DC FC and the new Salisbury DC FC, it actually may be feasible for me to make the trip to Charlotte with "only" about a 2 hour stop at Asheboro Nissan--on the way there. On the way back though the wait would probably be more like 4 hours and pretty risky: not a lot of charging stations to fall back on between Asheboro and Apex along 64.

In other DC FC news: I also believe that there may be a DC FC currently open, or nearly open, in downtown Charlotte. I don't yet have details on exactly where, but its opening was "imminent" about a month ago. This is part of an Advanced Energy program that is paying for 30 DC FC units in the Charlotte & RTP areas (see http://www.advancedenergy.org/programs/ ... ge-project for more info). I believe there are about 10 candidate sites in the RTP area, and of those 2-3 are pretty far along. I don't have information on where those sites are, but I suspect one of them is at the McDonalds on Walnut St. in Cary, so keep your eyes on any construction there. There is another one that appears to be in North Raleigh, but I don't have any further details.

That program will not address the "highway" issue, but Brightfield Transportation is working on finding partners to create a network of up to 20 solar powered DC FC stations across the state ( http://brightfieldts.com/projects/brigh ... xperience/ ) These stations will likely address more of the inter-city market. However, this program is not very far along at all, so don't hold your breath.

And then finally Nissan is of course rolling out DC FC at their dealerships. But good luck figuring out which ones and what timeline and whether the siting will make any sense at all. I've stopped to charge a few times to charge at Michael Jordan Nissan and I always ask about their plans for installing DC FC. The responses I've gotten have ranged from "I think maybe we have that already" to "We'll never get that because we'd have to pay for the charging station and installation ourselves". Maybe that's true...but I happen to be in the market for potentially another Nissan LEAF and I will probably choose my dealer on how committed they are to promoting electric driving, so Leith Nissan is going to be fairly high on my list at this point.
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Re: NC Leaf Owners

Thu Jan 16, 2014 10:55 am

lpickup wrote:and the new Salisbury DC FC


I've been really out of touch! Could you give the location in Salisbury of this fast charger please?
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Re: NC Leaf Owners

Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:14 am

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lpickup wrote:and the new Salisbury DC FC


I've been really out of touch! Could you give the location in Salisbury of this fast charger please?


Don't worry, I only noticed it yesterday!

According to plugshare.com it's at Ben Mynatt Nissan 629 Jake Alexander Blvd S, Salisbury NC 28147
http://api.plugshare.com/view/location/2023
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Re: NC Leaf Owners

Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:22 am

Thanks Lance. I thought it might be there as the only local Nissan dealer, but I didn't see it mentioned on their website. I called the dealer and they confirmed the QC went "live" just yesterday (Jan 15, 2013). It is located outside, is accessible, and there is no charge (heh, heh, I kill myself) for use.
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Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:48 am

SalisburySam wrote:Thanks Lance. I thought it might be there as the only local Nissan dealer, but I didn't see it mentioned on their website. I called the dealer and they confirmed the QC went "live" just yesterday (Jan 15, 2013). It is located outside, is accessible, and there is no charge (heh, heh, I kill myself) for use.


Sounds great! Let us know how it works after you try it.
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Thu Jan 23, 2014 2:40 pm

I used the newly-installed QuickCharge (QC - L3) station at the local Nissan dealer today. Since its installation January 15, I was the second user. This was a first for me; in the almost two years I’ve had my 2012SL, I’ve not even seen a QC device let alone used one until today. I’ll comment on two topics: the QC installation, and my QC experience.

The QC device is located at Ben Mynatt Nissan, the dealer in Salisbury, NC about half way between Charlotte and the Winston-Salem/Greensboro/High Point triad and just off an exit from I-85. It is correctly shown on PlugShare. The QC is a single unit with its own parking space on the south side of the dealer’s lot, next to two AeroVironment L2 charging stations and their separate two parking spaces. I had the pleasure of meeting with the dealership’s LEAF specialist, Kevin, and he confirmed that all three stations are open 24 hours and are free to use. I was impressed with the sheer size of the QC unit, and the size and weight of the connecting cable. The display shows percent charge, instantaneous amperage and voltage, and time charged in minutes and seconds. The control buttons are simple: Stop, Start, and a big red Emergency Stop. The charging nozzle is large, heavy, and had a lever to draw the nozzle tight to the QC port on the car. Having never done this before, it takes some getting used to but the charging won’t begin until the nozzle is properly connected and latched.

As to my experience: I began the charge on a sunny day, 34°F, battery temperature showing 4 bars, and the QC station showing I had 27% charge left on my battery. After syncing between the car and station, the charging began and showed a 72-amp draw at about 400 volts. As charging went on, I noticed the amperage decreased slowly down to about 11 amps, and the voltage decreased slightly to about 392 volts. After exactly 40 minutes, the QC display showed I had an 86% charge. The ambient temperature was now 36°F, and the battery temperature still showed 4 bars. This surprised me as I thought the high amps and voltage would heat up the battery a bit, but no change.

One other surprise: I had expected to fully charge to 100% from my 27% in less than 30 minutes. My actual charge went from 27% to 86% in 40 minutes, or just under 60% added. Although much, much faster than my L2 charger at home, still longer than I had expected. At another time I may try a QC from a lower state of battery charge to 100% and time it.

All-in-all, a pleasant experience close to home with friendly faces and easy access. All good!
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