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Re: Walgreens chargers no longer free?

Fri Aug 02, 2013 11:58 pm

Want free charging?

Buy a Tesla and use the Superchargers - free for life, or at least that is what Elon says. ;)
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Re: Walgreens chargers no longer free?

Sat Aug 03, 2013 4:43 am

We have some gas stations with automated car washs. The basic wash is like $5, unless you buy like 10 gallons of gas, then you get a code for a free wash.

Walgreens and others could run something similar as a promotion.
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Re: Walgreens chargers no longer free?

Sat Aug 03, 2013 6:02 am

DNAinaGoodWay wrote:We have some gas stations with automated car washs. The basic wash is like $5, unless you buy like 10 gallons of gas, then you get a code for a free wash.

Walgreens and others could run something similar as a promotion.
This is certainly an interesting idea. But does the charging infrastructure support this? I haven't heard of this being offered by any of the major players.

Could be done today in a labor-intensive way (where charging company verifies purchase via a scan/picture of a receipt). In the future, this discount could be provided with a one time use RFID card, or for some stations, a code you enter on the screen.

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Re: Walgreens chargers no longer free?

Sat Aug 03, 2013 6:18 am

A one use RFID that then becomes a coupon so it gets returned and re-activated.
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Re: Walgreens chargers no longer free?

Sat Aug 03, 2013 6:36 am

TonyWilliams wrote:
Randy3 wrote:... paying to park at the EVSE's may help keep them from being ICE'd so much? I still agree with that idea.


Not only not ICE'd, but not using the spot to charge your EV when you really don't need it, which makes it available for folks who DO NEED IT !!!

So, to the OP, just drive you oil car, or boycott Walgreens, or whatever you want, and the rest of us will be very happy to use that available charge station when we need it.

Even if I had to pay $2 per kWh, it is still cheaper than oil. How, you ask? Because I normally charge at home for almost "free" (solar), but let's say 12 cents per kWh (national average).

So, my 24,000 miles per year average driving is $960 per year (24,000 / 3 mile/kWh = 8000kWh burnt * 12.0 cents per kWh),

and my one visit to Walgreens for 20kWh (that would be rare that I'd want to hang out there that long, however) at $2/kWh (2 * 20) = $40. My effective cost of power for the year is $960 + $40 = $1000.

1000 / 8000 = 12.5 cents per kWh

I'll pay the extra one half penny.


It's cool you would rather burn money than oil (good for you!), but a lot of Walgreen's chargers run by Chargepoint do not, can not, bill the user by kWh. Rather it's a flat time rate. $2 minimum charge for 1 hour minimum use. ($8 for 4 hour charge = approx $4 per gallon gasoline equivalent). I don't know anyone who spends a whole hour at a Walgreen's unless he works there. So the normal 10 minute visit will still cost you the $2 minimum fee for a very small amount of power off an L2 station. In English that's called a rip-off. Sure if you were desperate, in an absolute emergency, you could sit there in your Leaf for an hour squeezing every last drop out of that $2 fee, but for normal use, its simply not economical when compared to the equivalent amount of energy obtained from $2 worth of gasoline (approx. 1/2 gallon).

That's part of the equation that EV buyers will be looking at. Why should I pay full sales tax on a $35k vehicle, (or be forced to lease) when even the chargers at Walgreen's will charge me more than an equivalent amount of gasoline. One of the biggest selling points of EVs is that while the upfront costs are high, charging the vehicle is extremely low cost, if not free. And again, most people in cities, rely on public chargers. Period. Screw that market base at your peril.

Walgreen's is making a huge mistake charging for using these units and will, rightfully, get very little store traffic as a result. No need to boycott them -- most people simply wouldn't bother using them and their chargers will sit there unused.

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Re: Walgreens chargers no longer free?

Sat Aug 03, 2013 6:53 am

I too ran into the Walgreens charging-for-charging situation last weekend here in Colorado. My beef was the poor roll-out method. We arrive at the Walgreens in Castle Rock and find out when we plug it in. No announcement, no directions for how to pay for a charge, and of course no one in the store was told anything. I find the 800 number with a web search and call that - only to find that the charge-by-phone system had a broken link to the credit card validation. When I called their help line the live people didn't know that there even was a charge-by-phone system. The charge-by-phone was fixed yesterday when we charged @ Walgreens in Highland Ranch. But you still have to learn the number via some other method as it is not on the station itself.

Otherwise I'm definitely disappointed as the Walgreens charge station network is the best network in Colorado right now. We had intentionally diverted a lot of our business to Walgreens despite their generally higher prices, that of course will stop now. But we won't boycott them. I'm still glad that the stations are there when we really need them. And ironically I'm probably going to pay less given that I won't be paying Walgreen's higher prices for goods and I charge at their stations infrequently (maybe 1-2 times a month).

And of course I've ordered a couple SemaCharge RFID cards.
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Re: Walgreens chargers no longer free?

Sat Aug 03, 2013 6:54 am

Who sits around at walgreens for three hours anyway? FTS, if that's the ev story you're never going to move down the adoption pyramid beyond the enthusiasts in the pointy little section at the top as long as there are barrels to be fracked.
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Re: Walgreens chargers no longer free?

Sat Aug 03, 2013 6:59 am

LTLFTcomposite wrote:Who sits around at walgreens for three hours anyway? FTS, if that's the ev story you're never going to move down the adoption pyramid beyond the enthusiasts in the pointy little section at the top as long as there are barrels to be fracked.


We don't. Walgreens doesn't mind letting you park there while doing other stuff. Most Walgreens are located in shopping centers where you are walking distance to restaurants and retail - often entertainment too. Those of us who do biking and running find that the Walgreens with charging stations are often near trailheads.
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Re: Walgreens chargers no longer free?

Sat Aug 03, 2013 7:07 am

LeftieBiker wrote:Our Walgreens (plural) will have to get chargers before I can complain about them.


+1, I've never seen a Free charge station yet!
Are you new to Plug-In Vehicles?

Have you charged in public yet?

If not, you really should read the EV Guidelines?

Learn them today by clicking here: http://EVguidelines.com

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Re: Walgreens chargers no longer free?

Sat Aug 03, 2013 7:17 am

Exactly. Walgreens gets very little return on the investment... It is not a sustainable model.

cgaydos wrote:
LTLFTcomposite wrote:Who sits around at walgreens for three hours anyway? FTS, if that's the ev story you're never going to move down the adoption pyramid beyond the enthusiasts in the pointy little section at the top as long as there are barrels to be fracked.
We don't. Walgreens doesn't mind letting you park there while doing other stuff. Most Walgreens are located in shopping centers where you are walking distance to restaurants and retail - often entertainment too. Those of us who do biking and running find that the Walgreens with charging stations are often near trailheads.
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