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Re: Socially acceptable way? (dealin w/ICED charge-stations)

Thu May 08, 2014 12:48 am

ehunter wrote:Can you link to where the topic is?

There are no laws on the books that can be enforced if somebody ICEs a station. At least in San Francisco there are not. Just hope you have the juice to make it to the next station else you are hosed.


There are a few California Vehicle Codes for this infraction and they can be sited and towed. Look up and read CVC 22511

C V C Section 22511 Off-Street Parking: Electric Vehicles

Off-Street Parking: Electric Vehicles

CVC 22511. (a)A local authority, by ordinance or resolution, and a person in lawful possession of an offstreet parking facility may designate stalls or spaces in an offstreet parking facility owned or operated by that local authority or person for the exclusive purpose of charging and parking a vehicle that is connected for electric charging purposes.

(b) If posted in accordance with subdivision (d) or (e), the owner or person in lawful possession of a privately owned or operated offstreet parking facility, after notifying the police or sheriff’s department, may cause the removal of a vehicle from a stall or space designated pursuant to subdivision (a) in the facility to the nearest public garage if the vehicle is not connected for electric charging purposes.

(c) If posted in accordance with subdivision (d), the local authority owning or operating an offstreet parking facility, after notifying the police or sheriff’s department, may cause the removal of a vehicle from a stall or space designated pursuant to subdivision (a) in the facility to the nearest garage, as defined in Section 340, that is owned, leased, or approved for use by a public agency if the vehicle is not connected for electric charging purposes.

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc22511.htm
http://www.oclaw.org/research/code/ca/V ... 2s5FpK9KSM

That's just one that covers it but I have read a few other CVC. Once you point that out to the Police the ticket quota will go up.


Under California Vehicle Code section 22511, non-electric vehicles parked in spaces reserved for electric vehicles are subject to fines up to $100 and may be towed away at the owner's expense.
Zero-Emission Vehicles: Display of Decal

22511.1. (a) A person may not park or leave standing any vehicle in a stall or space designated pursuant to Section 22511 unless a valid zero-emission vehicle decal identification issued pursuant to Section 22511 is displayed on that vehicle.

(b) A person may not obstruct, block, or otherwise bar access to parking stalls or spaces described in subdivision (a) except as provided in subdivision (a).

(c) A person shall not display a decal issued pursuant to Section 22511 on a vehicle that does not use electricity as the motive power.

Added Sec. 3, Ch. 640, Stats. 2002. Effective January 1, 2003.



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Re: Socially acceptable way? (dealin w/ICED charge-stations)

Thu May 08, 2014 1:07 am

Good Flyer you can print out and leave on their windshield wiper

http://www.evnut.com/docs/flyers/ev_parking_only.doc

This one is for California but I'm sure there are Vehicle Codes for your state.
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Re: Socially acceptable way? (dealin w/ICED charge-stations)

Thu May 08, 2014 1:31 am


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Re: Socially acceptable way? (dealin w/ICED charge-stations)

Thu May 08, 2014 11:29 am

Wennfred wrote:
22511.1. (a) A person may not park or leave standing any vehicle in a stall or space designated pursuant to Section 22511 unless a valid zero-emission vehicle decal identification issued pursuant to Section 22511 is displayed on that vehicle.



OK, I'm going to drive my Model S to California this Summer. Without any passengers, I will not have the right to drive in HOV lanes because I don't have the California sticker, I get that.

Does this also mean I can't technically use public charging stations?
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Re: Socially acceptable way? (dealin w/ICED charge-stations)

Thu May 08, 2014 11:39 am

They stopped issuing the ZEV stickers a while back (when they came out with the "GM law") so I assume that statute is no longer enforced.

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Wennfred wrote:22511.1. (a) A person may not park or leave standing any vehicle in a stall or space designated pursuant to Section 22511 unless a valid zero-emission vehicle decal identification issued pursuant to Section 22511 is displayed on that vehicle.
OK, I'm going to drive my Model S to California this Summer. Without any passengers, I will not have the right to drive in HOV lanes because I don't have the California sticker, I get that. Does this also mean I can't technically use public charging stations?
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Re: Socially acceptable way? (dealin w/ICED charge-stations)

Tue May 27, 2014 12:20 pm

The first CP station is ICED by two cars though you can not see it from the photo ( at a park in Larkspur).

Just after I plugged (at the second station) in a cop came rolling down the lot and I raised my hand to get his attention. I walked up to his open window and said, There are two cars here parked illegally according to the Calif Vehicle Code. These are NON-electric cars and they are blocking the dedicated charge station AND the spaces are well marked.

I gave the cop CVC-22511, he looked it up, said thank you very much.

He pulled up in back of the two cars, took 15 min to write out the tickets, then said than you very much again before he took off.

You can see the cop car in the photo doing his job. I was told that in the future, all you have to do is call traffic enforcement and somebody would be right there and write out tickets if appropriate.

yeah... so I was a jerk and got these people tickets. I hope it makes them think next time.

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Re: Socially acceptable way? (dealin w/ICED charge-stations)

Tue May 27, 2014 12:42 pm

ehunter wrote:The first CP station is ICED by two cars though you can not see it from the photo ( at a park in Larkspur).

Just after I plugged (at the second station) in a cop came rolling down the lot and I raised my hand to get his attention. I walked up to his open window and said, There are two cars here parked illegally according to the Calif Vehicle Code. These are NON-electric cars and they are blocking the dedicated charge station AND the spaces are well marked.

I gave the cop CVC-22511, he looked it up, said thank you very much.

He pulled up in back of the two cars, took 15 min to write out the tickets, then said than you very much again before he took off.

You can see the cop car in the photo doing his job. I was told that in the future, all you have to do is call traffic enforcement and somebody would be right there and write out tickets if appropriate.

yeah... so I was a jerk and got these people tickets. I hope it makes them think next time.



Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. I take it the signage there is legal with respect to the CVC?
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Re: Socially acceptable way? (dealin w/ICED charge-stations)

Tue May 27, 2014 12:53 pm

I *attempted* to use the sole Chargepoint in the crowded Main St. lot in Seal Beach on Saturday morning, and was denied by a NEV!!

Now clearly one could argue that he/she actually meets the requirement of the signage (ELECTRIC VEHICLE PARKING ONLY). But certainly no charging was going on.

When my family and I came back from a restaurant, I saw a Tesla Model S and breathed a sigh of relief. "At least a BEV is parked there now and using it". Except upon closer inspection, they weren't. The cable was neatly locked away on the Chargepoint, with the display on.

Now come on folks. Some people count on this infrastructure to get home, and both cars simply used the spot for FREE PARKING. You'd think that someone that owns SB property and a Tesla owner could spare the pocket change necessary for a standard stall. Nope, just inconsiderate bastards.

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Re: Socially acceptable way? (dealin w/ICED charge-stations)

Thu May 29, 2014 12:33 am

My idea:

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Put that business card on their dashboard, take a picture of the car and license plate, upload it to youicehole.com and enter the unique number on the business card (example, 5437), and the site creates a unique page featuring their car and license plate.

Then the icehole gets back to his car and sees the note, goes to the site, and OMG- YOU BASTAGES!!! Then the icehole can pass some EVSE etiquette exam, or donate $2 to some EVSE fund or something to get the listing scrubbed.

I never registered the domain or started on the project because I knew I would get about 30% done and then run out of motivation to complete it like every other project I have ever started in my life. :lol:
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Re: Socially acceptable way? (dealin w/ICED charge-stations)

Thu May 29, 2014 12:38 am

It makes you seem like a bit of a nut, especially since "ice" is an acronym and should be capitalized. I.E. "ICE" or "ICE-hole." It's very tempting to do this sort of thing, but what exactly is proven when the 'victim' acts just as badly as the 'perp'...? The card is fine - except for the (uncapitalized) header, which could just be removed or covered with a sticker, hopefully.
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