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Re: EV Advocates form Eastern Sierra Electric Vehicle Association

Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:55 pm

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gene wrote:In Independence since 2014, and at my request, both The Independence Inn and Rays Den Motel have Nema 14-50. You cna find them on Plugshare.

:: two thumbs up ::

The owners of L1 mobile EVSE can upgrade to L2 for a reasonable fee. E.g., evseupgrade.com


Yes, two thumbs up. If people outside of California don't know that those two 14-50s are the only public charging locations on US 395. No one has used the RV park in Lone Pine for years and the one in Olancha didn't seem keen on letting EVs use their 14-50s either. Just checked PlugShare, no one has charged at the RV Park in Lone Pine that is listed since 2015.

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Re: EV Advocates form Eastern Sierra Electric Vehicle Association

Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:39 pm

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gene wrote:In Independence since 2014, and at my request, both The Independence Inn and Rays Den Motel have Nema 14-50. You cna find them on Plugshare.


Thanks Gene for talking Jim into installing those 14-50s. I made my decision to get a Leaf while staying there one day. A Tesla driver pulled up and parked right in front of me. He talked me into the Leaf.

We've been charging our Volt and now our Bolt for the past two years--couldn't figure out a way to get the Leaf there.

We carry a Jesla just for such locations.

Paul
Paul, that is awesome that you have used the 14-50's. I talked Jim into putting it in, as well as Ray's Den Motel, back in 2013 . I was spending a lot of time along the 395 and with my Tesla at the time there were no superchargers anywhere , except for a few in Los Angeles. There were 6 Superchargers in the world back then. Of course, now there are thousands!
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Re: EV Advocates form Eastern Sierra Electric Vehicle Association

Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:30 pm

I welcome the efforts of folks on this thread.

Along 395 I believe there still is no public J-1772 Between Hesperia on the South and Garnerville on the North. My first EV drive up 395 4 years ago, before Tesla Superchargers at Inyokern, Mammoth Lakes, Topaz Lake, or Reno, utilized the very welcome 10-40 outlet at Independence Inn mentioned above. My next stop was Meadowcliff Lodge & RV Park in Coleville. Here I was able to get a motel room right next to a RV spot with a 14-50. They gave me a small discount for booking both.

On 3 successive trips I have lobbied Yo Nellie Deli in Lee Vining as an ideal location for Level 2 charging, being at the eastern entrance to Yosemite as well as on 395. At one point the owner wrote me that he was considering installing one, but nothing happened. Now they have had solar panels on their roof for 2 years, but still nothing. I understand J-1772 is best for all EVs, but I can't understand why they won't even accept a free HPWC from Tesla.

I have also lobbied the Creek View Lodge in Bishop. They have Level-1 outlets adjacent to many parking spots. I have used them twice, but you only get about 30-40 miles per night. They also have promised to install Level 2 for two years, but it also has not happened.

With just a few J-1772 at motels, a Bolt could make the trip, but I know Bolt owners who are not inclined to ever utilize public charging. They just stay within range of their garage, and take their ICE on longer trips.
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Re: EV Advocates form Eastern Sierra Electric Vehicle Association

Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:05 pm

paulgipe wrote:Guy,

I have an article on the Solar Pavilion in the hopper but I won't put it up until the solar is live. Until then it's just a glass canopy.

As of today, Friday, it is not live, according to Janet Carle, the project lead on it.

They could put in a CC L2 before the snow flies if they can find a donor. They've raised $80,000 so far so I think they could do it on their own but it could happen quicker if someone steps up and throws money at them.

Paul

I wish I'd known about the solar pavilion earlier, as we could have tried crowd-sourcing it here and at other EV forums, and maybe we could do that for an L2 there.
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Re: EV Advocates form Eastern Sierra Electric Vehicle Association

Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:30 pm

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GRA wrote:Checked my notes from that trip, and I think it was either 5 or 6 of the cabins at Lakeview Lodge had 5-15Rs near the front of the cabin (well within parking range) and some had 10-30Rs or TT-30Rs (wasn't clear which in my notes) near the back of the cabins which might be reachable by EVSE cords, and definitely doable with a (thick) extension cord.

Guy,

Do check them out. Having a hotel that would cater to EVs would be helpful. I've been an EV ambassador a number of times but in some locations I won't charge and won't recommend the site if the cable is in a traveled way (sidewalk) or the outlet is dinged up.

I love the fact you take notes. That's very helpful.

Paul

The trip's looking a bit less likely, but I can hope. The cabins (#11-#15? Away from my notes again) at Lake View Lodge I checked were all safe. It would also have been possible to charge at some of the motel rooms on the lower floor, provided you had some duct tape or parachute cord to attach the cord to the underside of the 2nd floor walkway (or else tie it to the upstairs railing) and pass the cord over the ground floor walkway so it didn't present a tripping hazard: https://goo.gl/maps/2SViXPHtwar You'd either have to use a receptacle inside the room and leave the door open or remove a screen, or there might have been a couple of external receptacles presumably for vacuum cleaners or blowers, there or at one of the other motels I checked. Lake View's owners weren't there at the time I stopped in, only someone on the desk, so I couldn't ascertain their attitude towards charging.

I also checked out the RV park in town, but was told by the owner that the tent sites don't have hookups and the RV sites tended to be reserved months in advance over the whole summer, so impromptu charging was unlikely to work.

ISTM that the local EVAA and the group involved with the solar pavilion are in a much better position to float charging to motel owners there than I am, as they're more likely to have personal connections, or can go through the CoC rather than trying to do it piecemeal.
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Re: EV Advocates form Eastern Sierra Electric Vehicle Association

Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:45 pm

tbleakne wrote:I welcome the efforts of folks on this thread.
On 3 successive trips I have lobbied Yo Nellie Deli in Lee Vining as an ideal location for Level 2 charging, being at the eastern entrance to Yosemite as well as on 395. At one point the owner wrote me that he was considering installing one, but nothing happened. Now they have had solar panels on their roof for 2 years, but still nothing. I understand J-1772 is best for all EVs, but I can't understand why they won't even accept a free HPWC from Tesla.

I suspect the issue at Whoa Nellie is parking (along with the general hassle and only being open part-year). Maybe a petition would help? There's an outdoor 5-15R at the base of one of the light poles in the vegetated area back of the cinderblock wall on the west side, between the gas pumps and the deli. Unfortunately my multimeter's battery had died shortly beforehand so I wasn't able to check if it was live, and they might not want anyone using it in any case. Besides, they need at least L2.
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Re: EV Advocates form Eastern Sierra Electric Vehicle Association

Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:22 pm

tbleakne wrote:I welcome the efforts of folks on this thread.

Along 395 I believe there still is no public J-1772 Between Hesperia on the South and Garnerville on the North. My first EV drive up 395 4 years ago, before Tesla Superchargers at Inyokern, Mammoth Lakes, Topaz Lake, or Reno, utilized the very welcome 10-40 outlet at Independence Inn mentioned above. My next stop was Meadowcliff Lodge & RV Park in Coleville. Here I was able to get a motel room right next to a RV spot with a 14-50. They gave me a small discount for booking both.



Tom,

Good to see you post on this thread. We met when you pulled up to the Independence Inn in your Tesla. You suggested I get a Leaf--and I did. We're down to a one-car family and we're using the Bolt even for our trips to Toulumne Meadows. It takes some effort but we did it.

You also came to Bakersfield for an EV breakfast once.

We appreciate all you, Guy, and Gene have done to promote EVs up US 395. It's been a real slog.

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Re: EV Advocates form Eastern Sierra Electric Vehicle Association

Sun Sep 23, 2018 4:02 pm

Plugshare isn't showing any chargers in Independence, even with all options (including residential) on.
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Re: EV Advocates form Eastern Sierra Electric Vehicle Association

Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:27 pm

GRA wrote:Plugshare isn't showing any chargers in Independence, even with all options (including residential) on.


Guy,

I don't think I ever said there were "chargers" in Independence. There are two NEMA 15-50 outlets. That's it.

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Re: EV Advocates form Eastern Sierra Electric Vehicle Association

Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:28 pm

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GRA wrote:Plugshare isn't showing any chargers in Independence, even with all options (including residential) on.


Guy,

I don't think I ever said there were "chargers" in Independence. There are two NEMA 15-50 outlets. That's it.

Paul

No, you didn't and my bad for using loose terminology and implying that; I knew they were 14-50s. My point was that Plugshare wasn't showing them, although they had in the past. Just checked again and they've magically reappeared - weird.
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