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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:29 am

jhm614 wrote:Re: January, 2018.

I just read some vague comments about the CARB ZEV credit rule changing for MY 2018 cars. Depending on if this is accurate, it could cause Nissan to delay the MY2018 Leaf 2.0 until January to maximize their 2017 credits. Although, if I did the calculation correctly the change is only .3 credits from 3.0 down to 2.7

Can any CARB experts confirm this change and if it is expected to cause current BEV manufactures to delay MY2018 introductions?


Makes no sense to me to tie this change to model year as opposed to calendar year. The automakers can arbitrarily decide when to introduce a new model year (within some constraints). CARB *should* be tying their rules to calendar year, IMO. Whether that's build date or in-service date is a different question.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:57 am

One possible reason why Nissan is dragging their feet on introducing a new Leaf before 2018 is that the ZEV credits drop substantially as of the 2018 MY... So, it behooves Nissan to drag out the 2017 MY until calendar 2018...
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:30 am

GetOffYourGas wrote:Makes no sense to me to tie this change to model year as opposed to calendar year. The automakers can arbitrarily decide when to introduce a new model year (within some constraints). CARB *should* be tying their rules to calendar year, IMO. Whether that's build date or in-service date is a different question.

I agree but this document and several others clearly indicate it is by Model Year (M2018).

https://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/zevprog/z ... ebcast.pdf

edit: okay, I see that the MY2017 Leaf is eligible for 3 credits per Leaf and that the MY2018 will only be eligible for 2. Does that mean a delay until January unless sales completely drop off a cliff?
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Thu Feb 16, 2017 3:57 pm

Makes no sense to me to tie this change to model year as opposed to calendar year.


In days of yore the model year began in September, to take advantage of a perceived buying season. It also coincided with the new television season. By having the excitement of the new TV season, it increased the visibility of car commercials. The synergy was all about sales.

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