LeftieBiker wrote:I don't know actual numbers, but the lower priced S seemed to sell better than the SV or SL.
Just going by what I've read here, and seen in searching dealer stock, it appears to me that the best selling Leaf models are, in descending order:
SV with Premium Package
SL with premium Package
S with Charge Package
SV/SL without Premium
S without Charge Package.
Actual sales numbers will be different, because both the S, and the SV without Premium get discounted heavily, and sell, eventually, but the above is based on how fast models sell, not just on how many sell when the price is slashed. It is, admittedly, just an semi-educated guess, but I usually have a feel for these things. Anyway, based on the above, I think that many people want a combination of good price and good features, while many others look for one feature combined with lowest price. The latter would be the S with Charge Package. So if Nisan wants to compete on price, they should build the S with QC and 6.6kw charger, and 30kwh pack. If they want to compete on price and features, a $36k SV with Premium and 60kwh pack should be a winner. If they can sell the loaded SL for much less than the Bolt Premiere, that too should work.
GetOffYourGas wrote:ydnas7 wrote:Nissan's incremental cost per kWh will be substantially less than GM's $145 deal from LG. so lets pick a number say $120/kWh
pack stays the same, no cell cooling costs, so a 40kWh version saves Nissan 60-40=20kWh x $120 or about $2400.
This claim strikes me as out of the blue and unsubstantiated. What is your evidence that Nissan's cell cost is lower than GM's?
ydnas7 wrote:Renault Nissan is generally a larger LG customer than GM, Nissan could use those cells, on a take or leave basis, but is choosing to make their their own on a take or pay basis. Nissan's cells will be cheaper on a take or pay basis than LG, but not cheaper on a take or leave basis than LG.
Nissan is chasing EV volume, GM is not.
jhm614 wrote:ydnas7 wrote:Renault Nissan is generally a larger LG customer than GM, Nissan could use those cells, on a take or leave basis, but is choosing to make their their own on a take or pay basis. Nissan's cells will be cheaper on a take or pay basis than LG, but not cheaper on a take or leave basis than LG.
Nissan is chasing EV volume, GM is not.
I am not familiar with "take or leave" vs. "take or pay". Would you expand on that?
Also, remember, that LG is producing more than just the batteries for the Bolt. GM maybe getting a battery deal based on the fact that LG wants to break into the motor / controller / inverter market as well as finding a larger market for their HVAC and infotainment products.
GetOffYourGas wrote:Thank you for the business economics education, Sandy. I was wondering about those terms too, but jhm614 beat me to the question.
You also make an important point about chasing volume. Here in the US, looking at US sales numbers, it is easy to lose sight of that. But, if I'm not mistaken, the Leaf is still the best-selling EV (worldwide) ever made.
With GM's battery cost pretty much revealed, Tesla advertising its target cost with the Gigafactory, and the likelihood of Nissan being in the same game for cost, the near future is going to be very interesting.
jhm614 wrote:More spy shots - European location this time -- looks similar to the US shots from last month...
Future Cars: 2018 Nissan Leaf Keeps Things Familiar
...IDS Concept-Inspired Styling
In 2015, Nissan revealed the IDS autonomous EV concept, which was said to be a strong pointer for the next Leaf. Fast forward to today, and whilst elements of the show car will make into production, the overall look is worlds apart.
Instead, the new EV will be a visual crossbreed between the latest Micra supermini and out-going Leaf. Frontal styling will be headlined by a mono-tooth, V-Motion grille, chiseled lower bumper and wedge-shaped headlamps.
The view from the side will be fairly conventional; tall and stubby proportions, floating roof and a blacked-out C-Pillar up-kink (not too different to the Chevy Bolt) are the go here. Out back, the hatch will be dominated by horizontal thin-wedge tail lamps and a subtle rear diffuser...