The battery size is interesting, but I'm far more interested in an improved battery capacity warranty. Up to 35% loss in the first 8 years is just not going to be competitive with Tesla performance which so far averages 1-2% a year.
DaveinOlyWA said:Durandal said:I'm guessing the fact that they're being so mum on details of the kWh of the Leaf means that it's only going to be a 40kWh battery. Otherwise, if it was a 50-60kWh battery, they would probably be trumpeting it in order to keep people from jumping off the Nissan ship.
You don't know Nissan very well. They literally slipped the 30 kwh S trim into the 2016 MY without saying a word!
kmp647 said:Bumping up to 7.4kw or higher , 7.7? 9.6kw would be almost a must on a 60kwh battery
6.6 would be way to slow
kmp647 said:Bumping up to 7.4kw or higher , 7.7? 9.6kw would be almost a must on a 60kwh battery
6.6 would be way to slow
kmp647 said:Bumping up to 7.4kw or higher , 7.7? 9.6kw would be almost a must on a 60kwh battery
6.6 would be way to slow
That points to the need for more QCs, not faster L2 for routine at-home charging. Tesla owners seem to be doing just fine with their base OBCs, and I imagine most of them would do just as well with a 6.6kW one. Faster L2 is nice to have given the current inadequate away-from home infrastructure, but how many people would choose to stay/charge at RV campgrounds if they had convenient QCs?EVDrive said:kmp647 said:Bumping up to 7.4kw or higher , 7.7? 9.6kw would be almost a must on a 60kwh battery
6.6 would be way to slow
+1
10kw is the minimum. I've used my 10kw charger on the RAV4 EV to charge at RV parks. Very helpful.
QCs all over are unlikely, there are none in my area and likely never will be any unless VW BUILDS them out 40 miles from here.GRA said:That points to the need for more QCs, not faster L2 for routine at-home charging. Tesla owners seem to be doing just fine with their base OBCs, and I imagine most of them would do just as well with a 6.6kW one. Faster L2 is nice to have given the current inadequate away-from home infrastructure, but how many people would choose to stay/charge at RV campgrounds if they had convenient QCs?EVDrive said:kmp647 said:Bumping up to 7.4kw or higher , 7.7? 9.6kw would be almost a must on a 60kwh battery
6.6 would be way to slow
+1
10kw is the minimum. I've used my 10kw charger on the RAV4 EV to charge at RV parks. Very helpful.
+1, higher L2 rates and 277v would be really nicermay635703 said:QCs all over are unlikely, there are none in my area and likely never will be any unless VW BUILDS them out 40 miles from here.GRA said:That points to the need for more QCs, not faster L2 for routine at-home charging. Tesla owners seem to be doing just fine with their base OBCs, and I imagine most of them would do just as well with a 6.6kW one. Faster L2 is nice to have given the current inadequate away-from home infrastructure, but how many people would choose to stay/charge at RV campgrounds if they had convenient QCs?EVDrive said:+1
10kw is the minimum. I've used my 10kw charger on the RAV4 EV to charge at RV parks. Very helpful.
L2 with proper amperage /voltage support is good to about 20kw
Nothing special is needed to support that except wires and obviously an overpriced EVSE (which the China price could drive down under $200)
If smart EVSEs were made that could throttle based on the load through your panel any house with a 100+ amp panel could support one, it would be much easier to install these and most interlata travel would be supported. (Day trips/single night trips)
The cost of such a network is an order of magnitude cheaper as it could leverage whatever already exists.
I think the key is getting more street side and light pole and parking lots fitted with any plug even 110 vac as a lot of us go somewhere hours at a time.
I also strongly believe the EVSE standard needs a minor mod to support 277 volts as around here at least it's on every light pole and would require nearly zero investment, whereas 240 would be expensive due to the conversion.
My area has nearly zero EV support (not even L1) so more plugs of any kind are needed in flyover country, QC is nice but expensive, poorly supported and even unreliable in many cases, that won't fly here.
Baby steps
? Why would 9.6kw require an expensive upgradeDaveinOlyWA said:Like anything; its all about cost. 9.6 KW would mean an expensive utility upgrade for me so not an option.
So in reality, everyone is "requiring" a 60 kwh pack so they can use the "Middle 40"
rmay635703 said:? Why would 9.6kw require an expensive upgradeDaveinOlyWA said:Like anything; its all about cost. 9.6 KW would mean an expensive utility upgrade for me so not an option.
So in reality, everyone is "requiring" a 60 kwh pack so they can use the "Middle 40"
Even my ancient 40 amp panel would support up to about 7.2kw if the EVSE was throttled since I rarely draw over 10 amps of 110vac, (and my 30 amp dryer plug goes to the driveway) my house when the fridge isn't humming uses about 2 amps of phantom load.
DaveinOlyWA said:rmay635703 said:? Why would 9.6kw require an expensive upgradeDaveinOlyWA said:Like anything; its all about cost. 9.6 KW would mean an expensive utility upgrade for me so not an option.
So in reality, everyone is "requiring" a 60 kwh pack so they can use the "Middle 40"
Even my ancient 40 amp panel would support up to about 7.2kw if the EVSE was throttled since I rarely draw over 10 amps of 110vac, (and my 30 amp dryer plug goes to the driveway) my house when the fridge isn't humming uses about 2 amps of phantom load.
you need a 50 amp breaker for 9.6 KW. there are simply not that many houses here that will simply add on that without removing something else. you can't overload your panel on the promise that you "will make sure something is off first" ideology. If you are lucky that you got a new house with a 200 or 250 amp panel, you can ignore the post but bringing up a 7.2 KW option is simply....strange
The EVSE is set to deliver the amount available from the panel, that would match the rating of the circuit it's plugged into, My EVSE is capable of delivering many times the current of my different outlets but is simply cranked to match.DaveinOlyWA said:rmay635703 said:? Why would 9.6kw require an expensive upgradeDaveinOlyWA said:Like anything; its all about cost. 9.6 KW would mean an expensive utility upgrade for me so not an option.
So in reality, everyone is "requiring" a 60 kwh pack so they can use the "Middle 40"
Even my ancient 40 amp panel would support up to about 7.2kw if the EVSE was throttled since I rarely draw over 10 amps of 110vac, (and my 30 amp dryer plug goes to the driveway) my house when the fridge isn't humming uses about 2 amps of phantom load.
you need a 50 amp breaker for 9.6 KW. there are simply not that many houses here that will simply add on that without removing something else. you can't overload your panel on the promise that you "will make sure something is off first" ideology. If you are lucky that you got a new house with a 200 or 250 amp panel, you can ignore the post but bringing up a 7.2 KW option is simply....strange
DaveinOlyWA said:rmay635703 said:? Why would 9.6kw require an expensive upgradeDaveinOlyWA said:Like anything; its all about cost. 9.6 KW would mean an expensive utility upgrade for me so not an option.
So in reality, everyone is "requiring" a 60 kwh pack so they can use the "Middle 40"
Even my ancient 40 amp panel would support up to about 7.2kw if the EVSE was throttled since I rarely draw over 10 amps of 110vac, (and my 30 amp dryer plug goes to the driveway) my house when the fridge isn't humming uses about 2 amps of phantom load.
you need a 50 amp breaker for 9.6 KW. there are simply not that many houses here that will simply add on that without removing something else. you can't overload your panel on the promise that you "will make sure something is off first" ideology. If you are lucky that you got a new house with a 200 or 250 amp panel, you can ignore the post but bringing up a 7.2 KW option is simply....strange
The house I own in the Bay Area has 2 x 30A glass screw-in fuses as the service (4 15A fuses in the panel, 120V only); it was built in 1940. Housing stock lasts a century or so, so while newer construction is 100-200A, there's a lot of older stuff out there.rmay635703 said:Who here has 40 amp service?
Hmm?
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