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Re: 60 kWh LEAF Introduction Placed on HOLD

Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:06 pm

webeleafowners wrote:Well, there are a couple of advantages, one being that there is virtually no vampire drain. Leave your Tesla at an airport for 6 weeks and it’s pretty much a brick. A Leaf might lose 3 percent of charge. There may be more but not sure.


It would probably also lose 3 percent of capacity, if left near full in hot weather. Otherwise about 1%.
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Re: 60 kWh LEAF Introduction Placed on HOLD

Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:46 am

webeleafowners wrote:Well, there are a couple of advantages, one being that there is virtually no vampire drain. Leave your Tesla at an airport for 6 weeks and it’s pretty much a brick. A Leaf might lose 3 percent of charge. There may be more but not sure.

I lose about 2-3 miles a day from vampire drain. Starting from a full charge of 300 miles range, 42 days of storage would reduce range by 84 - 126 miles.

Please stop the FUD
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Re: 60 kWh LEAF Introduction Placed on HOLD

Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:56 am

SageBrush wrote:
webeleafowners wrote:Well, there are a couple of advantages, one being that there is virtually no vampire drain. Leave your Tesla at an airport for 6 weeks and it’s pretty much a brick. A Leaf might lose 3 percent of charge. There may be more but not sure.

I lose about 2-3 miles a day from vampire drain. Starting from a full charge of 300 miles range, 42 days of storage would reduce range by 84 - 126 miles.

Please stop the FUD


Its basic information not FUD. I guess it would be rather convenient to store your Tesla around the corner from a charging station but this is not intuitive to many.
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Re: 60 kWh LEAF Introduction Placed on HOLD

Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:59 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
SageBrush wrote:Please stop the FUD


Its basic information not FUD.

It is MISinformation. If you actually had a clue about the Tesla you would know it too.
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Re: 60 kWh LEAF Introduction Placed on HOLD

Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:25 am

SageBrush wrote:
webeleafowners wrote:Well, there are a couple of advantages, one being that there is virtually no vampire drain. Leave your Tesla at an airport for 6 weeks and it’s pretty much a brick. A Leaf might lose 3 percent of charge. There may be more but not sure.

I lose about 2-3 miles a day from vampire drain. Starting from a full charge of 300 miles range, 42 days of storage would reduce range by 84 - 126 miles.

Please stop the FUD


I don't even loose that in 2-3 days. Its easy to mitigate. Besides it's not a LEAF either.

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Re: 60 kWh LEAF Introduction Placed on HOLD

Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:29 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
SageBrush wrote:
webeleafowners wrote:Well, there are a couple of advantages, one being that there is virtually no vampire drain. Leave your Tesla at an airport for 6 weeks and it’s pretty much a brick. A Leaf might lose 3 percent of charge. There may be more but not sure.

I lose about 2-3 miles a day from vampire drain. Starting from a full charge of 300 miles range, 42 days of storage would reduce range by 84 - 126 miles.

Please stop the FUD


Its basic information not FUD. I guess it would be rather convenient to store your Tesla around the corner from a charging station but this is not intuitive to many.


There is so much misunderstanding on this topic from both Tesla and non-Tesla owners it's laughable. The vast majority is FUD. Regardless it is a non-issue for those that have a clue.

On the other hand I'm not sure Nissan will be selling many EVs in the future based on their poor design decisions. The only thing that fuels the fumes of their sales are the incentives which they should have for some time based on the small sales numbers. This should drag on for a long time based on the release date of the new car and the trickle against the remaining cars sold. Should be some great deals on LEAFs again year end and then the cycle will repeat after the initial sales of the 60 model drop off sharply after must-have LEAF buyers get theirs. Sadly, if Nissan had made changes a while back they could have dominated the market rather that have one toe in for CARB credits and NRE recovery.

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Re: 60 kWh LEAF Introduction Placed on HOLD

Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:20 am

EVDRIVER wrote:I don't even loose that in 2-3 days. Its easy to mitigate.

I'd love to see my losses drop to 1 mile a day, if that is what you mean.

Do you have a trick to share ?
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Re: 60 kWh LEAF Introduction Placed on HOLD

Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:39 am

SageBrush wrote:
EVDRIVER wrote:I don't even loose that in 2-3 days. Its easy to mitigate.

I'd love to see my losses drop to 1 mile a day, if that is what you mean.

Do you have a trick to share ?


I think differences in climate may be against you
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Re: 60 kWh LEAF Introduction Placed on HOLD

Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:05 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
SageBrush wrote:
EVDRIVER wrote:I don't even loose that in 2-3 days. Its easy to mitigate.

I'd love to see my losses drop to 1 mile a day, if that is what you mean.

Do you have a trick to share ?


I think differences in climate may be against you


It's not climate related it's check in and 12V cycling.

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Re: 60 kWh LEAF Introduction Placed on HOLD

Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:00 pm

EVDRIVER wrote:It's not climate related it's check in and 12V cycling.
Right. There is an idle state and a sleeping state (and a deep sleep?). My son and I use TeslaFI.COM which 'checks in' but there are options in it to let your car sleep. My son's Model 3 is sleeping regularly after it is idle for a short while.

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