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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far

Mon Jan 19, 2015 10:40 am

and really you pick http://insideevs.com/plug-in-vehicle-sa ... 25-states/ for your per state data. It's a projection for 7 years in the future.

How about real data like

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any "competitor" that isn't selling in Atlanta Georgia right now isn't a serious competitor.

Kia Soul in California (3rd), Oregon(5th), New York(unranked), New Jersey(unranked) and Maryland(unranked)
while leaving out

#1 Washington ST
#2 Hawaii
#4 Georgia
#6 Washington DC
#7 Utah
#8 Colorado
#9 Tennessee
#10 Illinois


VW adds
Connecticut (unranked), Maine(unranked), Massachusetts(unranked), Rhode Island(unranked), and Vermont(unranked)
and still misses 7 of the top 10 states.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far

Mon Jan 19, 2015 10:44 am

BMW i3 is a 50 state car, is it not. I really like that car, but it has same problem as LEAF, battery pack is too small.

Hopefully LEAF 2.0 will solve this problem, not sure what the BMW group will do next.

Tesla makes an expensive EV and Nissan makes a cheap EV. No other 50 state competition unless you want to bring the regular Prius into the mix.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far

Mon Jan 19, 2015 10:51 am

dhanson865 wrote:any "competitor" that isn't selling in Atlanta Georgia right now isn't a serious competitor.


Nice data. Considering the numbers of Leafs and Teslas I see around Atlanta (I saw 2 others the same color as mine within 50 feet of one another yesterday in the Fry's parking lot), with the corresponding charging infrastructure already here (including the fact that plenty of people have home L2), Atlanta availability is a good indicator of someone who is actually trying to sell EVs and someone who is just doing limited tests or making compliance vehicles.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far

Mon Jan 19, 2015 10:53 am

KJD wrote:BMW i3 is a 50 state car, is it not. I really like that car, but it has same problem as LEAF, battery pack is too small.

Hopefully LEAF 2.0 will solve this problem, not sure what the BMW group will do next.


Hmm wikipedia says

The American market launch is limited to Los Angeles, San Francisco, Sacramento, San Diego, Austin and New York City, plus the suburban areas of New Jersey and Connecticut.


but my local BMW dealer has 2 on the lot so I guess Wikipedia was wrong :)
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far

Mon Jan 19, 2015 11:09 am

and if you want to peek at partial year data first half of 2014 looks like

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With Georgia #1 and California #2 fighting for first place.
Washington ST dropping to #3
Hawaii dropping to #4
and Connecticut joining the list in the #10 slot after Washington DC dropped off the list.

also notice that cheap gas prices seem to be slowing sales of EVs
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far

Mon Jan 19, 2015 11:48 am

dhanson865 wrote:also notice that cheap gas prices seem to be slowing sales of EVs

Not so. There is no correlation between BEV sales and oil price.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far

Mon Jan 19, 2015 12:20 pm

One of the main reasons I eliminated it from contention. They spend all that money on weight reduction to gain virtually nothing in range, and at a much higher price.

KJD wrote:BMW i3 is a 50 state car, is it not. I really like that car, but it has same problem as LEAF, battery pack is too small.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far

Mon Jan 19, 2015 12:43 pm

TomT wrote:One of the main reasons I eliminated it from contention. They spend all that money on weight reduction to gain virtually nothing in range, and at a much higher price.

Yes - but the question is what is BMW really doing - since it is so obvious they couldn't have missed it.

One possibility is they are trialing with i3/i8 and CF will spread to entire BMW line. This is one way to make ICE more efficient ..
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far

Mon Jan 19, 2015 8:26 pm

evnow wrote:
dhanson865 wrote:also notice that cheap gas prices seem to be slowing sales of EVs

Not so. There is no correlation between BEV sales and oil price.


I didn't say oil price, I said gas price. It apparently would surprise you to know that the price of gas locally does not have a 1:1 correlation to the price of oil at the national or global level.

and of course by gas I mean the stuff people put in their gas tank which includes ethanol.

http://www.npr.org/2014/10/17/356949485 ... o-low-gear
Sales of what the industry calls advanced-drive vehicles — traditional hybrids, plug-ins and all-electric cars — are down about 5 percent this year. At the same time, trucks are up by 17 percent and SUV sales have grown by 20 percent.


but EVs are dropping in price as well and I'm sure EV sales will increase in the long run no matter what gas prices do.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far

Mon Jan 19, 2015 9:18 pm

Methinks the instability of gasoline pricing has much to do with EV buy decisions, especially when Americans learn the latest pricing manipulations are the results of an illegal international monopoly called OPEC dictating the price of crude oil. Perhaps some American drivers are actually paying attention to the benefits of EVs and the dangers of an economy based on Hydrocarbon economics.

Lets hope the new crop of EVs will have the necessary improvements and pricing to entice drivers to switch over from gas cars. That will be one milestone passed; the next milestone is to move to an all renewable energy economy.

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